picard102
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Do you have a particular issue with celebrating the defeat of the Axis powers in WW2?
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Do you have a particular issue with celebrating the defeat of the Axis powers in WW2?
Johnny Au
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afransen
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From what I recall, Blundell's expertise is more in the realm of fart jokes.
Bojaxs
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I work in a blue collar environment. I regularly talk to young men who would probably fit into these categories.
A lot of young men are frustrated about their lack of prospects for the future. Them lashing out at the cultural "woke-ism" is a symptom of their frustration. If most of these guys had a home, a good paying job, you probably wouldn't hear them as much. They spend too much time online cause they can't find work and it's messing with their brains. With no chance of ever owning a home, having a good paying job, or having a loving wife & kids, a young man will feel as if he has nothing to lose. At that point, there's no telling how far he'll radicalize
The problem with influencers like the Tate brothers, Aiden Ross, and probably Joe Rogan to a degree, isn't that they promote masculinity. It's that they promote narcissism.
Society needs a "healthier" masculinity that encourages young men to be strong so as to protect the more vulnerable, and live by a code of honour. While at the same time respecting the more "unorthodox" life choices made by people who choose not to live the more "traditional" life.
A lot of my younger coworkers nowadays are struggling with alcohol and sports betting. Sports betting has really taken a hold of young men since the provincial government legalised it. I have coworkers gambling away entire pay-cheques over a single Leafs or Raptors game. They then show up to work the following day, sleep deprived and miserable, ranting about how the world is all BS!
My point is, if the Liberals win the upcoming election then they really need to make an effort to reach out to these young men and make them feel like they're a part of this grand vision to turn the country around and usher in the clean energy revolution. A lot of these young men will work in the trades and be responsible for building so many things in this country. Liberals also have to get serious about building more homes and making housing affordable. If Liberals win this coming election, yet still can't deliver homes for young people, then they probably won't win the following election.
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adma
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UtakataNoAnnex
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I agree they need to accept them like they would accept everyone else, but they can't be accepting or holding to their beliefs though
...as I am sure that we would want good government that makes their decisions on a reality and evidence based understanding of things. And not that of bigoted assumptions and stereotypes, whether they come from young, middling or old.
adma
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And the funny thing about these young men: I don't know if they've *ever* known a world that wasn't about so-called "narcissism". That is, they grew up in a coddled, entropic kidsphere where there was no meaningful, constructive intersection with the "grownup world" whatsoever--and by "grownup world", I don't mean the Tate/Rogan universe of suspended juvenilia. They grew up in a junky void; because a junky void is today's universal norm, especially among "feisty young men". They've *always* been fed junk food because, well, respect for kids, kids will be kids, kids like junk food, and they never got to know any better. They're empty.
And compounding the "never got to know any better": more often than not, they're likely fundamentally illiterate or post-literate, because they see education as "girlie or gay stuff". Thus the influencers and their Youtubes resonate with them the way medieval stained glass once did among the illiterate peasants...
lenaitch
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Wow, that's quite a take. Perhaps our public officials should be in the VIP box during Red Square parades. If nothing else, his accepting a consideration from a foreign government as a senior police officer without command or Board approval could (should?) have been considered a Code of Conduct violation at the time.
Understand the concept and goals of soft power by foreign governments.
Admiral Beez
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That’s because young men are lost, underemployed, sitting in their parent’s basements gaming and vaping, and seeking something or someone to blame - making them ripe for populism. Meanwhile their sisters are rocking it in university and careers in the modern economy.
My Dad (born in 1948) had a wife, three kids, moved to Canada (1976), had a career in ad sales and a house before he was 28. Myself, born in 1971, graduated university in 1995, started career in export sales, married and bought first house at 28, with both kids born by my 31st birthday. Certainly housing costs have contributed to many adult children’s failures to launch, but Canada’s daughters seem to figure it out. Where are Canada’s 21-25 yo men?
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adma
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Maybe there's something to be said for the fact that all too often, all the parents really have to offer is that basement for the young men to do their gaming and vaping in.
Also, re "failures to launch": let's keep in mind that you're speaking from a "breeder's perspective"--and the reason I'm pointing this out is that already, by *your* generation, that rite of passage of marriage/children et al was less of a "universal" than it once was. And that was due to changing sociology, and not merely that which generated an *underclass*--indeed, those with an education or career or some cultural grounding were likelier to not put the traditional "family-making" ritual front and centre, or were more "measured" in how they did so. I mean, I think of myself back in the 80s subliminally viewing a lot of my peers who married and reproduced early as curiously "backward"--something which people who didn't know any better did. And the fact that there were those of *my* generation holding that "people who didn't know any better" view re the breeder class might have wound up being a self-fulfilling prophecy--so by extension, the parents not knowing any better might explain the young men turning out the way they do.
Also take note of the link's reference to algorithms bearing part of the blame--in a funny way, you can *also* blame algorithms for encouraging young women to "strive higher".
And re the gender gap: the whole cool vs uncool factor, as delineated here...
https://celestemdavis.substack.com/...3AvCBvl6mwSrzW6Dq1_aem_wVtWLKXV0kYA7nSgUjL0ew
Midtown Urbanist
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Full detailed report from abacus is out, some interesting insights there.
afransen
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The difficult thing for young men is that with catastrophically expensive housing, to have a hope of being able to buy a home requires more than just a decent job but good financial management and not to waste money on drinking, cars, gambling, eating out/doordash etc. It feels like financial education has only gotten worse.
T3G
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Without wishing to defend men who follow Manosphere influencers, all the grousing about how young people don't want to take responsibility, and that's why their prospects are bad, is really tiresome rhetoric, utterly disconnected from the financial reality of our times. Try a different line of argument.
This is the first time I've seen someone make the cost of living into a gender issue. I am a 27 year old man and I know lots of women in my age group who also have problems with the cost of living crisis and failure to launch, including my own sister. But hey, I guess our entire collective demographic must be a bunch of losers with no drive. Until this kind of thinking abates, don't hope to see an end to the Manosphere influencers, or any other group of snake oil salesmen selling false solutions to angry, vulnerable groups. This kind of thinking keeps perpetuating this crisis, and will continue to do so until older folk wake up to the reality of the financial mountain of shit the younger generations have been handed. This is populist politicking 101 - the easiest way to manipulate people to do what you want is to take a disenfranchised group that feels like they have been thrown overboard by the system, make them feel like they are being listened to, and present solutions, even if those solutions are batshit insane.
No amount of telling young men to pull themselves up by the bootstraps is going to pull us out of this mess.
This is the first time I've seen someone make the cost of living into a gender issue. I am a 27 year old man and I know lots of women in my age group who also have problems with the cost of living crisis and failure to launch, including my own sister. But hey, I guess our entire collective demographic must be a bunch of losers with no drive. Until this kind of thinking abates, don't hope to see an end to the Manosphere influencers, or any other group of snake oil salesmen selling false solutions to angry, vulnerable groups. This kind of thinking keeps perpetuating this crisis, and will continue to do so until older folk wake up to the reality of the financial mountain of shit the younger generations have been handed. This is populist politicking 101 - the easiest way to manipulate people to do what you want is to take a disenfranchised group that feels like they have been thrown overboard by the system, make them feel like they are being listened to, and present solutions, even if those solutions are batshit insane.
No amount of telling young men to pull themselves up by the bootstraps is going to pull us out of this mess.
adma
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Of course, one could "both sides" the gender issue by highlighting, among females, not the educational-overachiever element but the shallow-influencer element--the kind of thing that could analogously bankrupt and ruin *them* unless they had sugar daddies on hand. But I guess the stereotype *there* might be that those types are too shallow to even bother voting. (Which might, in its way, fulfil and compliment a manospheric ideal)
Bojaxs
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I'm destined to be a life long renter because I've made the choice that I value travelling the world more than having a mortgage. Being in my late 30's, I have no desire to take on a mortgage after the age of 40 and potentially screw over my ability to retire early.
Back in my late 20's/ early 30's the high cost of housing in this country caused me a considerable level of distress and anger. Now I've just come to terms with it. All the years I spent working long hours my job in order to save up for a down payment, I'm going to keep the money in the stock market and use to travel across Europe and Asia.
When I champion making housing affordable in this country, I'm thinking of the younger generations. Even if housing does become affordable, I'll probably still continue to rent with the hope that rent will go down as well.
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