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The Lobbyist Registry tells us a huge area of the Consumers Business Park is in play. It entails 3 discrete addresses one of which is noted above.

The above is large parking garage, shown here, per Streetview:

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It also involves 251-255 Consumers Rd which is the office complex across the street:

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Finally, incorporates the surface parking lot on the opposite side of Consumer Rd at 260.

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The combined sites, excluding public roads are ~76000m2 or 7.6ha which is ~19 acres of land
 
The site is located within the ConsumersNext Secondary Plan.


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I measured those properties excluding public roads and it's around 22.85 acres, 19 would mean it does not include a portion of the larger parking lot.
 
I measured those properties excluding public roads and it's around 22.85 acres, 19 would mean it does not include a portion of the larger parking lot.

Correct, it does not:

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The Parcel in blue is what lines up with the address in question on that side of the street. The balance of the parking carries a different address.
 
The application for this is now live in the AIC.

No buildings or drawings yet, its a straight up OPA to allow Mixed Use and set the stage for future applications.

The exact parcel varies slightly from the above.

Old AIC only for now, current one later this week:


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@Paclo
 
Thousands of new homes in a location that’s not very walkable, next to the air pollution and noise of the biggest highway in the country. In an office park where all the public realm needs to be rebuilt from scratch in order to be minimally acceptable

Meanwhile, the Bloor Danforth line still hasn’t been upzoned after 60 years, even the parts that are in walking distance of the downtown core.

Can’t blame Diamond for investing here, but this is a grotesque bit of planning.
 
Thousands of new homes in a location that’s not very walkable, next to the air pollution and noise of the biggest highway in the country. In an office park where all the public realm needs to be rebuilt from scratch in order to be minimally acceptable

Meanwhile, the Bloor Danforth line still hasn’t been upzoned after 60 years, even the parts that are in walking distance of the downtown core.

Can’t blame Diamond for investing here, but this is a grotesque bit of planning.

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PMTAs line the Danforth now.

All of Danforth is 6s as-of-right minimum, 8s west of Coxwell for the most part, with massive density going up from Main to Dawes, and east of Victoria Park, and 14s approved and ready to go between Donlands and Greenwood.

Bloor downtown is very dense as is; has towers in various stages of approval for 3 corners of Spadina and the fourth is coming; Mirvish Village is just finishing up at Bathurst, and there are two other assemblies in the area not yet public.

Meanwhile we have massive density going up at Dufferin, Lansdowne, Dundas West and more at Keele and High Park.

What is also this no density for Line 2 which by the way is very crowded currently, running every 3'30 service.

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As for Consumers Road, it is next to a future subway line and 2 stations; which is not a bad development rationale. I would happily accept an argument though that the Parks concept here is abysmally planned with a raft of small spaces that can't provide sports fields, room for kids summer camps or meaningful nature.

Lets also remember, developers are looking here, because of high vacancy rates in offices, under utilized parking and many sites (surface parking) that are almost as cheap as greenfield to build on and don't require painstaking and costly assembly efforts.
 
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Lets also remember, developers are looking here, because of high vacancy rates in offices, under utilized parking and many sites (surface parking) that are almost as cheap as greenfield to build on and don't require painstaking and costly assembly efforts.

Yes, that familiar Toronto planning argument: The development industry WANTS to build towers on ugly, forlorn, polluted corners of the city, because it would be inconvenient* for them to redevelop pleasant blocks that actually have things.

(*Not that we asked, and not we have made it legal for them to do so, of course.)


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Yes, that familiar Toronto planning argument: The development industry WANTS to build towers on ugly, forlorn, polluted corners of the city, because it would be inconvenient* for them to redevelop pleasant blocks that actually have things.

(*Not that we asked, and not we have made it legal for them to do so, of course.)

I want to be careful here, publicly.

I don't dox anyone, ever.

But you have friends in Toronto's development community.

Ask them whether they would prefer to buy a greenfield site {which surface parking generally is), with one owner, no complications, they don't need road closure permits because they can work entirely within their own site, there's no adjacent residential which means no noise complaints or at least minimal when they work well into the evening or on weekends.............oh and its 2 blocks from a prospective subway station, and 3 from a major highway interchange...................OR, they can go negotiate with 3, 4, 5 or more property owners, with the need to get each and every one of them on board, then demolish multiple buildings, then deal with rental replacement regulation, a higher risk of soil contamination, a near 100% chance they will need road closure permits that can run into the hundreds of thousands or worse, and then deal with noise complaints if they work on the weekend or past 7pm.

Do it. You know who to talk to..............they're smart people and they do it for a living.

Sure they'd prefer the hotter neighbourhood if all things were equal.

But they're not.

Did I mention that the suburban site comes at less than 1/2 the price, and that the urban site demands minimum rent of $3,500 per month for a 1 bdrm, where the suburban site can come in more than $500 cheaper?

You really put way too much on Toronto Planning. They are guilty of plenty of things over the years, most of which I have been a factor in them addressing, from parking minimums to the angular plane.

But they are not guilty of everything you seem to think, and you have no evidence to the contrary, because there isn't any.

As an aside I speak to developers here regularly and in my most recent surveys, early this year, I asked what they considered obstacles to smaller builds especially. I was told the bike storage requirements were onerous and under used.

The policies changed within six months. Identify a real problem, I will help if I can.

But tell me its Planning's fault that developers like easy to rezone sites that are greenfield and come at 50% off discounts near highways and proposed subways, and I'm going to tell you, you're wrong.
 

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