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shawnmicallef
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75 had some of the best albums ever.
Tim, and Jeff, Buckley aren't pretentious though. I don't understand (again).
Tim, and Jeff, Buckley aren't pretentious though. I don't understand (again).
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nassauone
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Perhaps AP could enlighten us with an age that actually did have good music!
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andreapalladio
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The 18th century, the '40s, '50s, '60s and '80s. Now, in some respects, if you leave out rap and dance music.
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Darkstar416
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Your statement makes a lot of sense Babel and I think I agree! Still, hard to discount completely how the rise of punk changed the landscape nonetheless.Punk is often wrongly identified as a force that dislodged the dinosaur heavy metal bands, when it was actually art college bands like these who brought new music into play.
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building babel
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Come to think of it, punk was pretty art schoolish too. I went to OCA with a couple of guys from The Diodes, who posed as rough punkers but were actually total pussycats ( especially John Catto! ). They used to play venues such as the first Toronto punk club, Crash and Burn, around 1977 or '78. But all of this started 2 or 3 years after the flamboyance and ironic stance of Rough Trade here and Roxy Music in England.
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Darkstar416
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I remember "Tired of Waking Up Tired" being played on CFNY quite regularly until the mid-90s. Not too familiar with much of their other stuff to be honest.
Speaking of early T.O. punk, my brother arrested one of The Viletones for shoplifting a few year's back. :lol
Speaking of early T.O. punk, my brother arrested one of The Viletones for shoplifting a few year's back. :lol
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adma
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The mid '70s weren't really an age of great music either. Besides, I was 8 in 1975, and didn't aspire, then or now, to your level of pretentiousness, musical or otherwise.
It isn't about "pretentiousness". It's about "awareness". And TBH if you picture yourself as "wide open" to whatever exists out there, culturally speaking, and yet neither Buckley even *registers* with you, well...checkmate.
That's what happens when you're way too overzealous with paring away the so-called pippydoos and doodads in your life...
Oh yeah, it's not about being a fan of either Buckley, It's simply a matter of their "registering"...
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andreapalladio
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Why would I waste my time on some early '90s no-hit non-wonder?
And here's an awareness tip for you: some day, when you get older and graduate, you'll become aware that no one cares that you think you're th coolest guy in your high school.
And here's an awareness tip for you: some day, when you get older and graduate, you'll become aware that no one cares that you think you're th coolest guy in your high school.
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adma
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Why would I waste my time on some early '90s no-hit non-wonder?
Because, maybe as a overwrought reflex against whatever misfit-isolation and abuse you might have been subjected to as an 8-year-old in 1975, an 18-year-old in 1985, and whatever else, you've locked yourself sooo far into this style-discerning-to-a-fault freaking-snob-of-an-opera-queen world of yours, you've lost touch with a certain more dynamic and comprehensive cultural reality out there. Or else, said reality is too grubby and "hurts too much"; maybe reminds you of childhood trauma, etc.
Thus, the paradox; as a self-styled "person of discernment", you come across as positively Toronto-Sun-reporter lunkheaded in your assessments of stuff which doesn't fall within said style-discerning-to-a-fault freaking-snob-of-an-opera-queen frame of reference. Okay, maybe your discernment serves your designer purposes--but it sure doesn't serve your sensitive-urbanist purposes, unless you somehow hold Terence Corcoran higher in "urban sensitivity" esteem than Jane Jacobs...
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nassauone
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ADMA 1 - AP 0
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scarberiankhatru
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^ Check out the "Richmond Adelaide III" thread in Projects & Construction and one might update that score to:
ADMA - 2, AP - 0
ADMA - 2, AP - 0
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adma
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Though to be honest, the more that I think of it, I've a sort of empathy for AP...
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building babel
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adma:
"Well there you go again, Mister President ..."
Actually, I'm the pippypoo and doodad hating guy, not ap.
ap. dismisses the entire Romantic canon of music of the nineteenth century in favour of the eighteenth century world of Baroque and early Classical, which is rife with musical pippypoos, doodads and ... yes ... even twiddly bits! Think Handel, Bach and Mozart.
Yet one piece of music that he particularly likes - Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis', was based on a much earlier Renaissance work as reimagined by the late Romantic composer Ralph Vaughan Williams in1910. So, it misses the eighteenth century both in inspiration and creation.
And, curiously, the core of the operatic repertoire in performance today is also mostly Romantic and nineteenth century and not eighteenth. Think bel canto ( ap. loved Bellini's 'Norma' ), Bizet, Wagner, and Verdi ... none of whom are eighteenth century.
"Well there you go again, Mister President ..."
Actually, I'm the pippypoo and doodad hating guy, not ap.
ap. dismisses the entire Romantic canon of music of the nineteenth century in favour of the eighteenth century world of Baroque and early Classical, which is rife with musical pippypoos, doodads and ... yes ... even twiddly bits! Think Handel, Bach and Mozart.
Yet one piece of music that he particularly likes - Fantasia on a Theme of Thomas Tallis', was based on a much earlier Renaissance work as reimagined by the late Romantic composer Ralph Vaughan Williams in1910. So, it misses the eighteenth century both in inspiration and creation.
And, curiously, the core of the operatic repertoire in performance today is also mostly Romantic and nineteenth century and not eighteenth. Think bel canto ( ap. loved Bellini's 'Norma' ), Bizet, Wagner, and Verdi ... none of whom are eighteenth century.
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Mystery White Boy 66
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Who cares what they looked like. The music is all that matters. Jeff was voted People Magzine's 12th most beautiful person alive in 1995, much to his dismay. He thought people were taking his looks more seriously than his craft.
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Mystery White Boy 66
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Jeff came out in the mid 90s actually and he was hardly a non wonder.
You don't have to be a hit maker to be a good musician. The best musicians are the ones few no about. Download "Hallelujah" by Jeff and tell me he's pretentious.
You don't have to be a hit maker to be a good musician. The best musicians are the ones few no about. Download "Hallelujah" by Jeff and tell me he's pretentious.