Mountain Man
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The point is that she is clearly pandering to Calgary voters.
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'This could cause us problems': Alberta's sovereignty bill could scare off investment, says Calgary chamber
The Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada Act could drive investment out of the province, the Calgary Chamber of Commerce warns.
calgaryherald.com
Not news to most, but worth posting anyways.
JonnyCanuck
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You beat me to it. I was going to say that the proposed Sovereignty bill has gone over like a lead balloon in most circles. Looks like the only votes Smith is going to win are from her base. In other words, she will gain nothing from it.
Silence&Motion
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It still amazes me to see all her leadership rivals falling into line despite the fact that they were literally saying this bill would be a disaster a few months ago. Even Kenney slunk into retirement rather than vote against the bill that he repeatedly denounced during the leadership race.
I guess it shouldn't surprise me given what happened to the GOP and Trump. It's just annoying that the far right has no problem turning on their own leaders when they disagree, but the centre-right is so utterly cowardly. The end result is a continual pulling to the right.
I guess it shouldn't surprise me given what happened to the GOP and Trump. It's just annoying that the far right has no problem turning on their own leaders when they disagree, but the centre-right is so utterly cowardly. The end result is a continual pulling to the right.
Bell: Danielle Smith, wake up! Leger poll says you're losing Calgary
Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and UCP trail NDP in Leger poll. Most Albertans don't think sovereignty act is needed.
calgarysun.com
I don't this is too much of a shock. According to their polling numbers, In Calgary the NDP were ahead 43% to 41% just before Smith took over and now it's 51% to 41% in favor of the NDP...and those numbers are before her recent plan for a sovereignty act.
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Stephen Ave
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I got a real laugh out if the comments in article comment section. Looked like most of the comments were from one person with multiple user names. Lol.
Silence&Motion
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Here's the infographic:Bell: Danielle Smith, wake up! Leger poll says you're losing Calgary
Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and UCP trail NDP in Leger poll. Most Albertans don't think sovereignty act is needed.
I don't this is too much of a shock. According to their polling numbers, In Calgary the NDP were ahead 43% to 41% just before Smith took over and now it's 51% to 41% in favor of the NDP...and those numbers are before her recent plan for a sovereignty act.
I'll admit, I'm a little skeptical about the extreme regional variation in the Leger poll, where the UCP has a huge lead outside Calgary and Edmonton, while trailing by double-digits in both major cities. I know there's an urban/rural divide, but there is a lot of middle ground areas. The suburbs of Calgary and Edmonton are not particularly different from the exurbs or smaller cities like Red Deer which presumably count under the "Rest of Alberta".
Here's the comparison with Janet Brown's poll from a month earlier:
| Pollster | Alberta | Edmonton | Calgary | Other |
| Leger (Nov 28) | NDP +3 | NDP +22 | NDP +10 | UCP +27 |
| Janet Brown (Oct 30) | NDP +9 | NDP +26 | NDP +6 | UCP +8 |
| Leger (Oct 10) | NDP +2 | NDP +15 | NDP +3 | UCP +14 |
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Mountain Man
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UrbanWarrior
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I am actually shocked and appalled at how close it is.Here's the infographic:
I'll admit, I'm a little skeptical about the extreme regional variation in the Leger poll, where the UCP has a huge lead outside Calgary and Edmonton, while trailing by double-digits in both major cities. I know there's an urban/rural divide, but there is a lot of middle ground areas. The suburbs of Calgary and Edmonton are not particularly different from the exurbs or smaller cities like Red Deer which presumably count under the "Rest of Alberta".
Here's the comparison with Janet Brown's poll from a month earlier:
Pollster Alberta Edmonton Calgary Other Leger (Nov 28) NDP +3 NDP +22 NDP +10 UCP +27 Janet Brown (Oct 30) NDP +9 NDP +26 NDP +6 UCP +8 Leger (Oct 10) NDP +2 NDP +15 NDP +3 UCP +14
UrbanRED
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Overall doesn't matter that much though. Edmonton will go NDP and rural Alberta will go UCP. There are only a few true battlegrounds in AB today (Calgary is the major one). Calgary has been trending towards the NDP heavily since Smith got elected, I think if this continues the UCP will fare very poorly in the general election.
Mountain Man
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From one of the Edmonton forumers. Very funny and accurate. Can't remember which publication I saw this in this morning but wanted to share it. Glad one of those guys beat me to it!
I think the UCP is headed for a loss, but if they managed to pull off a victory it would be a hollow one, as it would be very close. With four more years of youth entering the voting pool in Calgary following this election, a slim victory would not be good.
Regardless of what happens in this election, the trend is clear. The young, urban up and coming voters aren't UCP voters. This isn't to say the UCPs won't ever win again, but if they continue with leaders like Danielle Smith, they're future is sealed.
Silence&Motion
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| # Ridings | UCP lead over NDP, 2019 election | NDP wins if a 25% vote shift | |
| Calgary | 26 | 18.7% | 19/26 |
| Calgary Exurbs | 6 | 45.5% | 1/6 |
| Edmonton | 20 | -18.2% | 20/20 |
| Edmonton Exurbs | 7 | 17.2% | 5/7 |
| Red Deer | 2 | 36.1% | 0/2 |
| Lethbridge | 2 | 6.4% | 2/2 |
| North | 9 | 47.2% | 1/9 |
| Central | 10 | 56.1% | 0/10 |
| South | 5 | 51.3% | 0/5 |
| Total | 87 | 22.2% | 48 |
I was interested to see what an NDP 2-3% lead in the popular vote might look like in terms of seat counts. Given that the UCP won in 2019 by 22.2% of the vote, that would mean a 25% swing from the UCP to the NDP. If we assume that the swing is generally uniform across regions, the results are a relatively comfortable 9 seat majority. Not a landslide like Kenney's victory in 2019, but not a squeaker either.
Interestingly, if you go with the Janet Brown poll and assume more like a 31% vote swing, the results do not change much. Maybe 3-4 more seats in the Calgary suburbs and Edmonton exurbs.
Of course, this is all assuming that the 25% vote swing is uniform. But it won't be. The question is whether the swing is more pronounced in the seat-rich areas.
I'm optimistic that a 25% swing is possible in Calgary which hopefully is enough to decide it. The reason I think it'll happen is the number of people I saw holding their noses and voting UPC last election for what was mainly job/oil industry related reasons. 3 things have changed since then.
a) The economy has picked up, and it had little to do with the UCP
b) Danielle Smith is much more of worry than Jason Kenny who wasn't proposing a sovereignty act.
c) The UCPs handling of Covid will have cost them some votes as well. Those who thought the UCP took too much of a left wing stance were already UCP voters, but some of those who though they took too much of a right wing stance won't vote for them. there were all the scandals as well, like the UCP telling everyone to stay home at Christmas, while their members take off on holidays to other countries.
Silence&Motion
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One thing I'll add to that list is the collapse of the Alberta Party. In 2019, they averaged 9.4% in Calgary ridings, and got double-digits in 7 of the 23 ridings that the UCP won. Not every single one of those votes will go to the NDP, but they sure as hell aren't going to Danielle Smith.