[micheal_can]

No expert as well but hot rolling rail is little different than hot rolling an I-beam or any other structural member, but you need the tooling (presses, mills, etc.). Algoma used to roll rail but as far as know now only produces coil and plate. I have no clue how long it would take and how much it would cost the re-tool.

Stelco is owned by US-based Cleveland-Cliffs and Dofasco is owned by EU-based ArcelorMittal.

There's going to be a major push to have Canadian steel in our 'nation building projects', including military modernization. Given the amount of steel they would be looking for and the number of Canadian-owned mills, I'm not sure we have the capacity to meet it all.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/algoma-steel-ottawa-ontario-funding-1.7646160

 

[chrisw]

Some excerpts,

According to Garcia, Algoma Steel's plate-making business remains strong. However, there isn't enough demand for the plant's coil business.

"We're going to be reducing some of that production going forward," he said. "We have to understand, what do we diversify to? Is it going to be beams, rail or other forms of steel? That's the work we're doing now."

"I can't predict what's going to happen in the future, but I can tell you that we're all in this together. If there are layoffs for a period of time, the Canadian government will be there with tools on the training side as workers may need to retool to different processes and kinds of production methods."

 

[BrenWilson]

Seems like a no brainer with Alto, many LRT projects and GO expansion that we could support an Ontario rail supplier for quite a few years.

 

[Urban Sky]

Seems like a no brainer with Alto, many LRT projects and GO expansion that we could support an Ontario rail supplier for quite a few years.

Sure, but it‘s legally difficult for any market economy which has comitted to trade agreements like CETA and whatever remains of NAFTA by now to guarantee a certain supplier a sufficient volume of contracts…

 

[kEiThZ]

Sure, but it‘s legally difficult for any market economy which has comitted to trade agreements like CETA and whatever remains of NAFTA by now to guarantee a certain supplier a sufficient volume of contracts…

We could invoke a National Security Exception. Just like the US did.

 

[nfitz]

We could invoke a National Security Exception. Just like the US did.

Which likely won't stand up in court.

 

[kEiThZ]

Which likely won't stand up in court.

What court?

 

[rbt]

What court?

USA typically uses the Court of International Trade for trade disputes, which is a domestic US court with US president nominated judges. Interestingly, they've often ruled in Canada's favour on issues like softwood lumber, so historically they've not been as one-sided as you might expect.

Canada usually uses the WTO Dispute Settlement process.

 

[Urban Sky]

If you want to be seen like a reliable trade partner and ally, you unfortunately need to act like one.

 

[kEiThZ]

USA typically uses the Court of International Trade for trade disputes, which is a domestic US court with US president nominated judges. Interestingly, they've often ruled in Canada's favour on issues like softwood lumber, so historically they've not been as one-sided as you might expect.

Canada usually uses the WTO Dispute Settlement process.

If you want to be seen like a reliable trade partner and ally, you unfortunately need to act like one.

I'm just saying. Goose. Gander. And all that. If the Americans can do it for everything. So can we.

In any event a huge part of our defence ramp up is using NSE anyway. That's how shipyards get steel. Nothing stopping the government from giving these foundries money to upgrade their plant, to make them more competitive. Just saying.....

 

[nfitz]

What court?

USA typically uses the Court of International Trade for trade disputes, which is a domestic US court with US president nominated judges. Interestingly, they've often ruled in Canada's favour on issues like softwood lumber, so historically they've not been as one-sided as you might expect.

Canada usually uses the WTO Dispute Settlement process.

If the presidential orders are ruled legal, yes.

But the very legality of the tariffs are still being challenged in the US court system, most recently with the U.S. Court of Appeals rejecting the tariffs - but with the ruling suspended.It's now before the USA supreme court, with arguments starting in November.

 

[micheal_can]

If you want to be seen like a reliable trade partner and ally, you unfortunately need to act like one.

A Canadian company could purposely underbid, get the bid, and then have cost overruns.

 

[kEiThZ]

My town will triple in population in 4 years so it would def be a way to urbanize rural areas.

People in your small town can drive to catch the train. There's no need to have a stop there. Also, tripling from 10k to 30k is not enough, given that we're skipping places like Kingston.

Also, given how quickly immigration is reversing in this country, the likelihood of that kind of spillover growth being sustained is low. Especially in a town that largely grew as a result of federal public servants being able to work from home during Covid.

 

[nfitz]

My town will triple in population in 4 years so it would def be a way to urbanize rural areas.

That surprises me, given the entire township has only grown by 78 people in the last 35 years. And dropped by over 500 in the last 15.



Perhaps it's from growth in nearby centres? The closest is Hawkesbury, that has tripled in the last 125 years.

 

[kEiThZ]

On a different forum, somebody with the same handle was complaining about immigration a while back and preference for shall we say lighter skinned migrants. So particularly entertaining, if that same person now thinks their town is going to triple in population, while they themselves are opposed to policies that would cause that growth.