thommyjo
Senior Member
Has there been any talk about doing zones? Outside of henday busers should have to pay more than central edmonton users
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CplKlinger
Senior Member
With the EMTSC being a thing, I'm not sure how fares will look in the next few years. By the end of next year, ETS (local service) will be the only municipal transit service operated separately by any of the EMTSC members. ETS regional service, and every other municipal transit agency, will be absorbed. By the end of 2026, ETS local service, including the LRT, could be added on to that. So let's say that it's January 1 2023, and we have three transit agencies in the region: The EMTSC, ETS, and Strathcona Transit (because Sherwood Park is full of NIMBYers). The EMTSC will decide the fare levels for its entire system, and let's say that ETS and the EMTSC use smart fare systems that are linked up just like the separate transit agencies were planning on doing anyways. How do you think fares should be structured accordingly?
The_Cat
Senior Member
I wonder how many people jump fares in Edmonton. Some people think they can sleep on the bus for nothing.
Glenco
Senior Member
Not so much NIMBYs more like cherry pickers.
thommyjo
Senior Member
If they all used the same zone maps and had fares based on 1, 2, and 3 zone rides, that could maybe work?
Zone 1, 156st, yellowhead, 75 street, whitemud.
Zone 2, inside henday
Zone 3, outside henday
Make it $2 in a zone, $3 for 2 zones, $4 for 3 zones.
Great way to encourage living closer to where you work also.
thommyjo
Senior Member
This is Vancouver's
And london's
And london's
IanO
Superstar
Zones would be nice, but baby steps.
More than there used to be. I don't think there is much enforcement these days - it had steadily fallen off a cliff pre-covid for a year or two.
The_Cat
Senior Member
It's probably another stunt! I do not like councillors who try to sabotage things at the 11th hour. We've had two years of consultation.
Platinum107
Senior Member
Jon Dziadyk is the councilor for ward 3 which is in the far north end, so of course his constituents are gonna have some concerns about the new network and not having as much service coverage. I have no idea why he's bringing up these concerns now, 18 days before the network launches when there was literal years of consultation with communities. Is it just foolishness? Arrogance? Wanting some brownie points before the municipal election? Who knows...
Pro.N
New Member
Not to derail the thread here, but some gaps here and there with community routes, the old 16 and 163 routes seemed to reduce walking times to a bus stop. At least the busses i used to ride. Increased number of transfers as well. Imo Ward 4 is most affected, there is no express service east of 66 street to the Henday that go to Clareview transit station??? Kinda odd. Even an express route from Eaux Clair to Clareview TC down 153rd Avenue, woulda been helpful. It's all the same/similar long winding community routes. These are some issues I brought up during the engagement phase, but who knows what happened to that lol. Interestingly, they did change some things around in the Castledowns area, where I currently live.
The main issue with these new routes is that it doesn't seem to take into account that these suburbs have absolute crap walking connections to bus stops, but ultimately the suburbs gonna suburb lol. They are designed for cars and leisurely walking in large circles (aka ring roads). I'm not entirely sure why that section of the city was neglected so hard, lack of engagement???
Also ain't nobody gonna care about On-Demand Transit, Regional Transit or the SmartPass if their baseline transit options are trash lol. City doing a big disservice to that area.
Platinum107
Senior Member
After the initial year or two of the network the messaging is that things will be tweaked where needed, possibly including the areas you mentioned here.
On the whole suburb thing, it really is disappointing how little (in most neighborhoods) attention was paid to the walking/transit/active transportation crowd in their overall designs. I don't need to say it to you guys, but obviously people who use these modes to get around are valid in our society (and are also a great potential market to cater to in new neighborhoods). Having extremely car-oriented low-density development within the boundaries of a large city like Edmonton is wrong on so many levels.
DutchBoy
Active Member
I don’t think zones are being considered, but distance-based fares are. https://www.edmonton.ca/projects_plans/transit/new-transit-fare-options.aspx
CplKlinger
Senior Member
I saw this interesting bit in a Edmonton Insight Community survey:
"Edmonton Transit Service (ETS) is conducting a customer research exercise that requires customers to use their mobile device to complete a series of tasks and questions related to the customer experience while using transit. ETS is looking to recruit 25 individuals to complete the exercise and is asking members of the Insight Community to consider participating if you meet the following criteria:
• Currently use Edmonton Public Transit Bus or LRT and/or will use transit in the month of May 2021
• Have access to a mobile device that can connect to a data network capable of loading webpages
• Loading an application (app) on your phone
• Able to complete activities as you complete your transit trip.
The exercise will be completed on your own time and does not require in-person interaction beyond the use of public transit. Financial compensation of $75 will be offered to participants. The exercise will be completed in partnership with a third party (Pivotal Research Inc.) and your contact information will be shared with Pivotal Research Inc. to facilitate contact with participants."
I wonder what they're going to be testing. I imagine it's not related to the SmartFare pilot, since credit card/phone tapping wasn't planned for until a later phase of the project.
"Edmonton Transit Service (ETS) is conducting a customer research exercise that requires customers to use their mobile device to complete a series of tasks and questions related to the customer experience while using transit. ETS is looking to recruit 25 individuals to complete the exercise and is asking members of the Insight Community to consider participating if you meet the following criteria:
• Currently use Edmonton Public Transit Bus or LRT and/or will use transit in the month of May 2021
• Have access to a mobile device that can connect to a data network capable of loading webpages
• Loading an application (app) on your phone
• Able to complete activities as you complete your transit trip.
The exercise will be completed on your own time and does not require in-person interaction beyond the use of public transit. Financial compensation of $75 will be offered to participants. The exercise will be completed in partnership with a third party (Pivotal Research Inc.) and your contact information will be shared with Pivotal Research Inc. to facilitate contact with participants."
I wonder what they're going to be testing. I imagine it's not related to the SmartFare pilot, since credit card/phone tapping wasn't planned for until a later phase of the project.
CplKlinger
Senior Member
According to the city webpage:
"Phase 1 of Smart Fare will launch starting fall 2021:
Starting this fall, the identified groups will be able to purchase a reloadable smart card (from large retail networks or at Smart Fare Vending Machines throughout the transit network), load money onto that card, and then tap on/tap off as they ride our system."
The page goes into greater detail. It's great to see a detailed timeline, hopefully they can stick with it!
I checked Fort Sask's website, and it says that this is being conducted region wide!
"Phase 1 of Smart Fare will launch starting fall 2021:
- Adult fare users
- U-Pass students
- Select public and catholic schools, and
- Transit staff across the region
Starting this fall, the identified groups will be able to purchase a reloadable smart card (from large retail networks or at Smart Fare Vending Machines throughout the transit network), load money onto that card, and then tap on/tap off as they ride our system."
The page goes into greater detail. It's great to see a detailed timeline, hopefully they can stick with it!
I checked Fort Sask's website, and it says that this is being conducted region wide!