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Housing slowdown cools Toronto condo sales, prices — but single-family homes keep defying gravity
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MARK BLINCH/REUTERS FILE PHOTO Cranes at condominium construction sites in downtown Toronto share the sky with the CN Tower. A downturn in demand has been picking up steam since spring 2012, with sales and prices slumping.

By Susan Pigg Business Reporter
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Toronto has become the tale of two housing markets — high-rise condos where sales, and now prices, have been slumping and houses where prices continue to defy gravity.
After almost a decade of almost unbridled demand and price growth, the GTA housing market is in slowdown mode and unlikely to show any marked recovery until the second half of 2013, according to a market outlook report from the Canada Housing and Mortgage Corp.
But exactly where things are headed depends on whether you are gazing up at sky-high glass-and-steel condo towers or down tree-lined residential streets.
Sales via MLS were down 15.6 per cent across the GTA last month compared to October of 2011 (or 7.1 per cent if you factor in the impact of two extra business days this October over last along with the vagaries of reporting estate deals).
But the continued overall strength of the house market — even in the face of easing sales — has helped mask a marked downturn in condo demand that’s been picking up steam since last spring.
“I believe the slowdown we’re seeing has largely been caused by the tightening of financing rules and is a short-term shock which is basically going to take some people out of the market for a year,” until they can save up a bigger downpayment, says veteran realtor and condo developer Brad Lamb.
“The single family home market is another thing. There’s not a lot of new supply coming there (unlike the GTA condo market where about 50,000 new units are under construction), so prices will continue to rise.”
Modest employment growth, “headwinds” from the tighter mortgage rules and a drop in both new home and condo construction are likely to be the hallmarks of the housing market until the second half of 2013 as demand cools, says CMHC.
That’s a good thing, say housing experts and economists, and what’s needed to bring building and prices back to more realistic levels.
Condo sales have nose-dived just since May, and now prices are starting to slip, at least in the city: The price of a Toronto condo traded via MLS averaged $358,741 in October, down 2 per cent over a year earlier, while sales were off 14 per cent, according to figures from TREB.
That compared to a 20 per cent decline in resale condo activity in the 905 regions but a four per cent increase in average price to $286,138. New condo sales have seen a much more dramatic downturn — about 30 per cent — as developers hold back on project launches and offer incentives to buy.
Even low-rise homes sales are softening. Bidding wars and bully bids are rare now, as homes that were selling in a frantic few days just last spring sit on the market for weeks.
“Sellers have been conditioned to think they are going to make a killing, but the playing field is being levelled,” says Coldwell Banker realtor Claude Boiron.
Sales of detached homes were down three per cent and semi-detached off seven per cent in October, year over year. But prices were up seven and six per cent respectively as listings for homes rose, but still not enough to match historic norms, says TREB.
Lamb has three condo projects in the works right now but has abandoned plans for three others, just like other developers who are now taking a wait-and-see attitude.
“I’m still buying real estate, I’m just not buying development sites. I have absolutely no plans to build anything in the city for quite a while.”
A number of concerns now colour the condo market: A 30 to 40 per cent drop in interest by investors who’ve largely fuelled the Toronto condo boom since 2007; consumer frustration that new units are too small and too expensive at $600 or more per square foot; the rising inventory of unsold condos and fears over how many so-called “assignment” units could hit the softening market.
Those are units bought in the preconstruction phase by people who intend to flip — or “assign” — them to new buyers at a significant markup before having to pay final payments, including land transfer taxes.
Lamb has called that underground condo market (developer rules usually forbid listing assignments on the public MLS system) a “monster.” One downtown condo realtor estimates some 6,000 to 7,000 assignments could come on the market in next year or two.
The big unknown is if the owners are largely wealthy investors or average folks in over their head who will just walk away or dump discounted units into a slumping market.
With the downtown rental vacancy rate at just 1.3 per cent and bidding wars for newer rental condos that have helped drive up rents about 20 per cent in the last two years, Lamb believes many of those owners will opt to rent until the market picks up. Realtors believe that will be next spring.
As for the single-famiy home market, “They’re not making more land,” as realtors love to say.
The drive to be close to work and transit continues to fuel the demand for houses close to downtown, even if a detached in the 416 region now costs an average $779,484.
That’s not likely to change much, say housing experts, unless interest rates or the economy does.
 
http://www.torontorealestateboard.com/market_news/market_watch/2012/mw1210.pdf

Overall not a bad month for sales as the market rebounded from Sept.

416 Condos prices are down 4% YOY (ie 2% decrease in nominal terms + 2% inflation)
Freehold prices YOY have come back to earth after the previous few months with some bizarre YOY increases.

Seasonally adjusted prices (all GTA) usually show a nominal increase of about 1% from Apr to Oct. (see http://guava.ca/ )
However 2012's price movement is a nominal decrease of 3% from Apr to Oct.
This is a seasonally adjusted nominal decrease of 4% over the past six months, and a six month decrease of 5% in real terms (including 1% inflation)

Six months is a short timeframe for RE and it remains to be seen if this is a temporary blip from the CMHC mortgage changes. However the fact remains we're 1/6th of the way towards a 30% correction over 3 years.
 
Regarding the Star article referenced by marsh above (link here: http://www.thestar.com/business/art...-but-single-family-homes-keep-defying-gravity), I'm also surprised that single family homes really haven't dipped a whole lot this fall. Inventory has dropped, sales has decreased by 3% compared to October of last year, but sales prices still increased by 7%. Given that the average detached SFH in Toronto is hovering close to $800k, that's still a pretty big jump.
 
Regarding the Star article referenced by marsh above (link here: http://www.thestar.com/business/art...-but-single-family-homes-keep-defying-gravity), I'm also surprised that single family homes really haven't dipped a whole lot this fall. Inventory has dropped, sales has decreased by 3% compared to October of last year, but sales prices still increased by 7%. Given that the average detached SFH in Toronto is hovering close to $800k, that's still a pretty big jump.

Note that the 7% increase is YOY. In contrast, over the past 6 months 416 detached SFH average prices have decreased from $831k to $779k. (a decrease of 6%). That is a very large decrease in prices this fall.
 
Note that the 7% increase is YOY. In contrast, over the past 6 months 416 detached SFH average prices have decreased from $831k to $779k. (a decrease of 6%). That is a very large decrease in prices this fall.

You're absolutely correct, all figures are year over year. I do remember when average detached homes sales prices were sitting above $800k earlier this year. A 7% year over year increase, to clarify my statement above, is still a pretty big jump, despite a downward month over month trend.
 
People have to remember that there are a lot of people with a fair amount of equity in their house who will just sit and not sell (unless needing to). I suspect there is a floor, especially for SFH's where people just decide to stay put and ride it out. Unless you are transferred, lose a job, or need to move out for other reason, people will stay put if prices and expectations are mismatched.

From the Star article above: "The big unknown is if the owners are largely wealthy investors or average folks in over their head who will just walk away or dump discounted units into a slumping market."
That is what we need to know. However, when Brad Lamb, a very strong bull on the Toronto market is pulling back....take notice.

I reiterate that I would not buy PRECON now and it will be rough but may in fact look quite good in 3-4 years from now if a lot gets put on hold.
 
Regarding the Star article referenced by marsh above (link here: http://www.thestar.com/business/art...-but-single-family-homes-keep-defying-gravity), I'm also surprised that single family homes really haven't dipped a whole lot this fall. Inventory has dropped, sales has decreased by 3% compared to October of last year, but sales prices still increased by 7%. Given that the average detached SFH in Toronto is hovering close to $800k, that's still a pretty big jump.

SFH home prices will come down eventually. It will be one of the dominoes to fall. First sales slow down, but prices hold across all home segments for the first little while. Eventually lagging sales begin to catch up to prices, and we see condos hit first, followed by less desirable SFH neighborhoods, then followed by more popular SFH neighbourhoods. And somewhere mixed in is the high end market which also takes a hit.

First the RE industry was touting condo price increases in the face of slowing sales. Now that line can't be used anymore, so they've moved onto the strength of the SFH market as a way to dupe people into moving forward with their RE purchases. After all they aren't making anymore land! Just like in LA, SF, Phoenix... oh wait a minute...
 
People have to remember that there are a lot of people with a fair amount of equity in their house who will just sit and not sell (unless needing to). I suspect there is a floor, especially for SFH's where people just decide to stay put and ride it out. Unless you are transferred, lose a job, or need to move out for other reason, people will stay put if prices and expectations are mismatched.

From the Star article above: "The big unknown is if the owners are largely wealthy investors or average folks in over their head who will just walk away or dump discounted units into a slumping market."
That is what we need to know. However, when Brad Lamb, a very strong bull on the Toronto market is pulling back....take notice.

I reiterate that I would not buy PRECON now and it will be rough but may in fact look quite good in 3-4 years from now if a lot gets put on hold.

True. However, let's not forget about all the people who won emotional (not financially logical) bidding wars the last 4 years. What happens to them if their dream house declines in value and whatever equity they had vanishes? If only our RE market was full folks with substantial equity that could ride out the storm. However, I doubt very much this is the case.
 
Why do you have to buy at 88 Scott of all buildings? Buy in an attractive smaller building in a better neighbourhood. For example, the Brant Park, Origami Lofts or even Sixty Colborne if you insist in being located near Bay Street.
 
Why do you have to buy at 88 Scott of all buildings? Buy in an attractive smaller building in a better neighbourhood. For example, the Brant Park, Origami Lofts or even Sixty Colborne if you insist in being located near Bay Street.

I would have to say the same thing too.
These mega condos with over 500 units (or as many as 700-800 as the case with IDEX, Massey Tower or 88 Scott) are bought up by 70-80% investors and will be occupied by just as many renters once completed. Do you really want to live in a place with high turnover, wear & tear, and a lack of pride of ownership?
And by time you sell you are in competition with thousands of other highrise cookie cutter units.
 
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please copy and paste full article as G&M (and possibly other newspapers) is going to a paid system for online articles.
 


Will inflation keep boosting house prices? Don't bet on it

Ben Rabidoux


Published Tuesday, Nov. 06, 2012 06:33AM EST

Last updated Tuesday, Nov. 06, 2012 10:04AM EST


With Canadian real estate prices near record highs and sales in many Canadian cities starting to weaken significantly, recent articles have sought to quell fears by reminding readers that housing is an excellent hedge against inflation. The argument is that house prices stand to benefit from rising inflationary pressures, which some suggest are just around the corner.

The advice is simple: If you’re a first-time buyer, forget all the talk of a potential housing correction and jump into the market. Inflation will be your friend. Setting aside the reality that the bond market has firmly rejected the notion that a high inflation environment is coming soon, let’s take a closer look at the relationship between inflation and house prices.

It is true that real estate has historically provided a hedge against inflation. In other words, as inflation pushes up the costs of goods and services, real estate values have risen with it.

Yale economist Robert Shiller famously created a U.S. house price index back to 1890. It showed that over that entire period, prices more or less paced inflation, with at best a very slight upwards bias. Certainly there were periods where prices rose notably faster or slower than inflation, but those periods tended to be followed by periods where prices did the opposite and reverted back to the mean over time.

The oldest housing data in the world also confirms this trend. In a study of house prices along the Herengracht Canal in Amsterdam back to the 1620s, Piet Eicholz of Maastricht University found that while prices were volatile in the short term, they tended to track inflation over time.

This is an important point. Real house prices, defined as house prices adjusted for inflation, tend to be flat over time. What these studies tell us is that periods where real house prices are rising - when house prices rise faster than inflation - are invariably followed by periods where real house prices fall.

This chart makes that abundantly clear. In it, a reading of 100 represents a “normal” market. In both Canada and the U.S., real or inflation-adjusted house prices have always reverted back to this level over time. The U.S. housing bubble, in which real house prices rose substantially above their trend, has now been fully retraced. But here in Canada, real house prices remain well above their long-term trend.

This, by the way, is not only due to the effect of a couple expensive markets skewing the national reading. Real house prices in every large Canadian metro are at record highs with each of them between two and three standard deviations above their long term trend.

Real house prices in Vancouver have risen particularly quickly, prompting economist Robert Shiller to recently compare Vancouver's rise in real house prices with California's. Prices in many California cities have fallen 40 to 50 per cent from their peak. Whether Vancouver will experience a California-style crash is a topic of particular relevance at this time, one that I will explore in this upcoming seminar.

Although Calgary experienced a real estate correction several years ago, it did not fully retrace the run-up in real prices. Listings and sales in the city are well-balanced at present but a return to the boom years seems very unlikely at this time.

Toronto real prices are now above those experienced in the previous peak, which was followed by a 25 per cent decline in average resale prices in the city over the next five years.

Real house prices in Ottawa are the most out of line relative to historic levels, at nearly three standard deviations above trend.

Montreal house prices have also significantly outpaced inflation over the past decade. This is very unlikely to persist going forward, particularly given declining sales and the unprecedented MLS inventory currently on market.

What this tells us is that no matter what happens to inflation over the next few years, it is highly unlikely that house prices will pace inflation, let alone beat it handily, as they have for the past decade.

The reality is that house prices can temporarily rise faster than inflation for a number or reasons, but the most recent surge in real house prices in most Western nations has coincided with falling interest rates, a mortgage credit boom tied in part to loosening credit standards, and a secular shift in attitudes towards home ownership, as evidenced by rising homeownership rates. In a number of countries, including the U.S., England, Ireland, France, Australia, Spain, and Greece, real house prices have reversed course. It is highly likely that Canada will now follow suit.

Equally important in this discussion is the reality that interest rates are in large part determined by prevailing inflationary trends. As inflation rises, so too does the interest rate people will demand in order to lend their money. Few people will lend their money out at 2 per cent for five years if inflation is expected to be 10 per cent. They would be losing their purchasing power each year. Because of that, the bond market - which is the biggest determinant of mortgage rates - is very sensitive to changes in inflation.

Without question, a rising inflationary environment would be coupled with rising mortgage rates. RBC's housing affordability index shows that affordability is already stretched relative to historic norms in most Canadian cities - and this is during a period of record low rates. Higher inflation, and the accompanying higher interest rates, will certainly not help house prices in the short term given the current (un)affordability situation.

Looking ahead to the next five years, the stimulative conditions that have allowed exceptionally strong real house price growth over the past decade will no longer be in play: Interest rates remain near record lows with little downside potential while credit availability is being tightened by prudent new rules implemented by Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation and other Canadian regulators.

It is exceptionally likely that real house prices will fall over the next five years. And if this should coincide with a low inflation environment, as I suspect it will, we will likely be looking at outright price declines, and potentially significant declines at that.

Ben Rabidoux is a Canadian housing analyst and macro strategist with Hanson Advisors.
 
From todays Star:
Housing slowdown cools

“I’m still buying real estate, I’m just not buying development sites. I have absolutely no plans to build anything in the city for quite a while.”

Or perhaps the condo market has no plans to buy anything that Lamb builds. Or maybe he just can't raise any more money.

My prediction is that small developers like him get slaughtered in this market. Buyers will be shepherded to projects and developers with long track records, high quality reputations & deep pockets.
 

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