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Budget boost for GTA transit
Mar. 22, 2006. 01:00 AM
KEVIN MCGRAN AND ROBERT BENZIE
STAFF REPORTERS

The long-awaited Greater Toronto Transportation Authority — a key part of the plan to create a seamless transit system from Burlington to Oshawa — will be unveiled in tomorrow's provincial budget, sources say.

Creating the GTTA allows Premier Dalton McGuinty to fulfill a key 2003 election campaign promise for "a region-wide approach to identifying and meeting GTA transit needs."

Although it's unclear how much clout the authority will have, its creation has the potential to address the region's congestion woes.

For commuters, this could eventually mean faster and smarter decisions on new buses, streetcars and trains, express right-of-ways, and paying through a "smart card" to cross municipal boundaries.

Finance Minister Dwight Duncan is also expected tomorrow to announce funding for the extension of the Toronto Transit Commission's Spadina subway line to York University and into Vaughan, the first subway to cross the 416-905 border, and funding for a York Region study to create bus-only lanes.

There should also be good news for motorists, with money earmarked toward the much-expected Highway 427 extension north of Highway 7 in Woodbridge.

The GTTA will set transit priorities and allocate funding, but it won't have "sustainable streams of revenue," which means it may not have much long-term political clout, two sources said. Its creation should help to find long-term solutions to traffic problems that cost the regional economy about $1.8 billion a year in lost productivity, wasted time and fuel, and other associated costs.

Its birth coincides with the $1.5 billion subway extension. That line is coming about as a result of an unexpected budget windfall — in the form of higher-than-anticipated corporate tax revenue for this fiscal year — that must be spent by the end of the fiscal year on March 31.

If the bonanza is not spent, by law it must go toward deficit reduction. But for political reasons, the Liberal government does not want to eliminate the deficit until its pre-election budget next year.

With many competing transit expansion projects on municipal wish lists, the GTTA would be the natural choice to advise the province on those things that should be addressed first. Among them:

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Mississauga's Transitway is a bus-only road along Highway 403 and Eastgate Parkway from Burnamthorpe Rd. to Eglinton Ave. Its major hub would be at the bus terminal at Square One Shopping Centre.

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York Region has a $1.5 billion project in hand to build 100 kilometres of bus-only lanes, mostly along Yonge St. and Highway 7. Officials hope to begin this year with the engineering of the first stage, a $420 million project to build 22 kilometres of bus lanes on Yonge St. between Steeles and Bernard Aves., and on Highway 7 from Richmond Hill Centre to Markham Centre.

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Brampton has been asking for federal and provincial funding for AcceleRide, a $230 million bus-priority project for Queen St. and Highway 10.

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The TTC has many transit needs, including completing the Sheppard subway line to Scarborough Town Centre, replacing the Scarborough RT and creating more streetcar-only lanes throughout the city.

Creating a GTTA has been far more problematic for the Liberals than they first anticipated, with Toronto politicians worrying that emerging transportation voices in the 905 regions would siphon off dollars from the TTC. Similarly, suburban politicians fear their projects would be overwhelmed by the TTC's voracious appetite for tax dollars.

On March 7, after the Toronto Star revealed the plan to expand the Spadina subway line, Transportation Minister Harinder Takhar acknowledged legislation was being prepared for the GTTA.

"The issue here is we want to make sure we get an organization that can actually do something," Takhar said then.

But critics have expressed concern that the GTTA wouldn't be given enough clout to set the agenda for a region-wide transit plan and would instead become bogged down by the competing interests of the regions.

One source feared yesterday that the province was repeating past mistakes by recreating a body like the Greater Toronto Services Board, an ineffectual multi-municipal entity that was dogged by infighting.

Meanwhile, sources say another major transportation-related initiative expected in the budget will be funding for the long-awaited Highway 427 expansion, backed by the City of Vaughan and York and Peel regions. They see it as a means to alleviate congestion on Highway 400 and spur growth.

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GTTA, will this be good for us?
 
I would go reverse.
I would lump/merge all GTA transit operations in with the TTC, making them the Greater TO Transit Authority, since the TTC is the backbone of the region's network.
 
The 410 would connect with Highway 10 just north of Mayfield, near the Brampton/Caledon border. Highway 10 would likely be upgraded where it is not already 4 lanes, such as from Caledon Village through Orangeville.

Between the Spadina extension and the 427 expansion, it looks like the "Wood-a-Bridge Budget" to me.

We will also have to see how much VIVA gets, compared to say Mississauga or Brampton for their bus-based projects, but this is sounding like York Region is really Pork Region.
 
Perhaps a better option would be a GTTA for all of the 905 transit agencies rather than lumping in the TTC as well.

As for the 427 extention... if any 400 series highway needs to be extended would the 407 out to Oshawa (and eventually to the 115/35) not be a better choice due to the growth in the East end that is only currently served by the 401.

Maybe the 407 is too much of a political hot button issue since the McGuinty government was sparing with the 407 consortium within weeks of being elected in 2003.

Does anyone know how far north the 427 would be extended? Is thisa major expansion or just another interchange or two? Also I heard the the 410 may be extended as well. Does anyone know where exactly the 410 is planned to connect with Hwy 10?
 
The 410 expansion is already in construction. It meets with Hwy. 10 somewhere south of Orangeville (although I don't have the exact location).

Between the Spadina extension and the 427 expansion, it looks like the "Wood-a-Bridge Budget" to me.
 
Perhaps a better option would be a GTTA for all of the 905 transit agencies rather than lumping in the TTC as well.
When it comes to local transit, distance between 905 transit systems means that they exist independently of each other, share virtually no riders, and can only be linked by GO. There is no benefit to having a coordinated approach to transit that involves YRT and Mississauga, or Brampton and Durham. The overwhelming majority of cross border transit trips on local systems include half the trip on the TTC. A GTTA is completely useless if the TTC is not part of it.

While most people will always travel downtown, there are still some very well defined travel patterns across the 416-905 border that need addressing. Examples are between Etobicoke and the airport business park, between the Chinese communities straddling Steeles, and north south trips between business parks and residents in south York and northern Toronto. In order to properly address issues like these and decide upon a reasonable fare for these short trips, there has to be coordination with the TTC.
 
I would create the GTTA solely as a coordination body, while leaving the actual operation of the services to the agencies. The GTTA should coordinate fares, schedules, service planning, marketing, and other region-wide issues. But if a region (say, for example, Durham) decides that they don't want to fund transit as much as Toronto and Mississauga, other areas shouldn't suffer for it.
 
I believe the 427 extension would just be a few interchanges, primarily to serve the Vaughan Enterprise Zone, a massive proposed industrial park.
 
The 410 would connect with Highway 10 just north of Mayfield, near the Brampton/Caledon border. Highway 10 would likely be upgraded where it is not already 4 lanes, such as from Caledon Village through Orangeville.
It could make more sense to by-pass around Caledon Village (a la Derry Road in Meadowvale), but I'm hardly an expert at these things. I figure it would mean less of a highway through a village, but probably a loss for local businesses. Hard call really.
 
TRANSLINK in Metropolitan Brisbane, Australia works like that.

There is more then one transit system in the area, but they are all unified under TRANSLINK, with a common ticket system, fare zone system, services, etc.

Even some bus routes are run by more then one transit system from the different suburbs, but it serves everyone who lives along the route.

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about TransLink

TransLink provides one single public transport network covering south-east Queensland from Gympie North/Noosa to Coolangatta and west to Helidon.

Just one TransLink ticket will take you wherever you want to go on buses, trains and ferries within the new system. Zones, fares and concessions will be standardised across the system, providing one set of rules for everyone.

TransLink is working together with the Queensland government, Brisbane City Council (BCC), QR (Queensland Rail) and private operators to improve the integration of services - making it easier for you to get to where you want to go.

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What is TransLink?

TransLink is part of Queensland Transport and is the central agency responsible for co-ordinating the integration of the south-east Queensland Public Transport system, extending from Noosa to Coolangatta and west to Helidon. TransLink operates in partnership with QR, Brisbane Transport, Brisbane City Council and the urban private operators in south-east Queensland.


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2. What is TransLink Integrated Ticketing?

Integrated ticketing is a shared ticketing system to ensure effective integration between rail, bus and BCC ferry. It means you only need one ticket to travel on bus, rail and Brisbane City Council ferry services

Integrated ticketing will improve passenger transitions through improving inter-change points between rail, bus and ferry.

Through the co-ordination of each mode's timetables, service standards such as frequency, transition times, capacity and need for additional services can be highlighted and improved to ensure a seamless public transport system.
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Re: highway 427 and potential 410 highway extensions.

Note that the entire south half of Caledon is exempt from greenbelt protection. A good chunk of the morraine land to the north was pre-approved for development prior to passing of the Greenbelt legislation.

Goodbye Caledon, I knew you well.
 
It could make more sense to by-pass around Caledon Village (a la Derry Road in Meadowvale), but I'm hardly an expert at these things. I figure it would mean less of a highway through a village, but probably a loss for local businesses. Hard call really.

There really isn't much left in Caledon Village - from what I can recall, the businesses on Highway 10 were a real estate office, Becker's (actually facing Charleston Road), Eddie Shack Donuts (that's right) and what used to be a gas station on the NE side.

The by-pass (which would almost have to be on the west side, going northwest from the south by the old TGB railway alignment) wouldn't kill much.

Google Map
 
I think its a good idea, they shud make it a fare zone thing for each city, and if you stayin within a city it should be one fare. Going to another city should cost $1-$2 on-top of the fare you pay from the city you originate.

Currently Mississauga to Toronto on public transit is $5. In the case if your going downtown you might as well take the GO bus for under $1 more to get downtown, plus its faster.
Anyone see my point?

The one thing that would suck is going from Brampton to Mississauga, and in a fare zone in my idea it would be $3.50-$4.50 each way. I would pay $3.50 but not $4.50. If this would increase funding in transit I think its a good idea. But with everything there's always a down side.
 
Re: highway 427 and potential 410 highway extensions.

Note that the entire south half of Caledon is exempt from greenbelt protection. A good chunk of the morraine land to the north was pre-approved for development prior to passing of the Greenbelt legislation.

Goodbye Caledon, I knew you well.

No need to be melodramatic. It looks like to me that only 1/4 of Caledon is unprotected.
 
I think its a good idea, they shud make it a fare zone thing for each city, and if you stayin within a city it should be one fare. Going to another city should cost $1-$2 on-top of the fare you pay from the city you originate.

There needs to be a system where you have relatively small zones, with no penalty for one zone crossed (to not penalize people whose orgin or destination is close to a boundary, but increasing fares for each zone crossed after that. The City of Toronto would have something like 8-10 zones, perhaps 6 zones for Peel (3 in Mississauga, 2 in Brampton and 1 covering Bolton/South Caledon if transit is extended there). York Region would have 7 zones.

That way, like you say, people making a short trip on two systems (say from south Brampton to Square One on BT and MT) won't be penalized.

The base fare would be something equivalent (in 2006 dollars)to $2 cash fare, with $0.50 increases after the second zone fare boundary crossed. There would be a premium for GO regional rail (like 150% of the fare), but would allow free transfers to local transit - so say from Port Credit to Union, you cross four zone boundaries, so pay $4.55 one-way ticket (2+1.50 for crossing 3 zone boundaries) - but that would pay for TTC within the zone that Union is in, and MT travel within the Port Credit zone. The GO fare alone right now is $4.40 for the trip.

From deepest, darkest Scarborough (Sheppard and Meadowvale), the TTC cash fare to downtown would be $3.50, from downtown Brampton, $4.00 local, $6.00 using GO. From Yonge and Clark in Thornhill or Square One (which would be on the border of two zone boundaries that follows Hurontario, so the terminal would count as either) it would be $3.00, but from Mavis Road and Burnhamthorpe it would be $3.50.

I think this is a relatively fair system - close to true fare-by-distance, and not centred on downtown. Plus many of the fares I tried would work out to being similar, but with transfer privileges to/from GO to each local transit system.

Edit: Note that discounts for multi-ride/monthly trips would still be included. Cash fares above are for simplicity.
 

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