[darwink]

I have no ground on to dispute this but I do not see how the property value goes down five or ten percent being next to a elevated rail line. Maybe there's some value lost on certain floors adjacent to a line and you charge less rent on those floors (these floors are likely much cheaper to begin with anyways) but having a direct connection to Grand Central, the Entertainment District, etc.) can be a big benefit.

Is there evidence for something like a new transit line decreasing property value in a downtown? Or is this like the "events centre and convention catalyst in an entertainment district", line of thought and just something people tell themselves.?

They also shouldn't forget the increased property values of being near a LRT or actually having the T as part of expected TOD.

So the tunnel had its risks, and I guess they were just willing to accept those risks but not other risks related to land value.

Known known risk versus known unknown risk. The city has lots of projects killed by the later which were good ideas. It in my opinion as far too risk averse on somethings (liek demanding fixed costs and no chance of legal exposure; and, believing that certainty of spending $2 billion on a tunnel is far better than the risk of a 20% chance of a 100% cost overrun on a $1 billion tunnel). The city trying to get zero risk for the Olympics is a big one.

 

[accord1999]

Does anyone have access to that underground geology alignment map from years ago? I recall that was a big part of the 2nd Street decision in the first place. Does the conditions change that dramatically between streets only a block or two apart?

Here's a low-resolution overview map of the challenging area from the 2014 North Central LRT Corridor Study Appendix E

 

[darwink]

The NC corridor already has a large number of buses running through it during work days. That is where LRT should have gone.

An earlier report said it didn't need to happen today, because there are multiple corridors to share that load. And it can't, it isn't ready, and it shouldn't. If the greenline doesn't start construction the federal money goes away and DOESN'T COME BACK EVER.

If the current segment gets under construction, we can use the following decade of funding to build incremental on top of whatever is funded based on the 2014-2027 money. If we wait, all of the greenline 2014-2027 just reduces the federal deficit a little bit.

 

[lemongrab]

An earlier report said it didn't need to happen today, because there are multiple corridors to share that load. And it can't, it isn't ready, and it shouldn't. If the greenline doesn't start construction the federal money goes away and DOESN'T COME BACK EVER.

If the current segment gets under construction, we can use the following decade of funding to build incremental on top of whatever is funded based on the 2014-2027 money. If we wait, all of the greenline 2014-2027 just reduces the federal deficit a little bit.

I wonder if 4th-Shepard is enough to unlock the federal funding?

 

[outoftheice]

Looks like there will be some reading for all of us to geek out on...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869494252960637324

 

[CalgaryTiger]

I wonder if 4th-Shepard is enough to unlock the federal funding?

I think the feds will take any win in Calgary they can get. Under a new leader Calgary Centre (and others i.e. Chahal's riding) is something they can tell themselves is a winnable riding (it isn't).

So judging by what they did to council. It'll be out at 10PM.

 

[lemongrab]

I think the feds will take any win in Calgary they can get. Under a new leader Calgary Centre (and others i.e. Chahal's riding) is something they can tell themselves is a winnable riding (it isn't).

So judging by what they did to council. It'll be out at 10PM.

I've wondered about this before and haven't been able to find precise details as its confusing because the feds keep re-announcing the same Public Transit Fund idea, but I'm not sure that it actually has to go through politicians at this point. I think it just needs to pass a certain score card for the bureaucrats. I suppose if it fails, then maybe the minister could step in? I can't imagine they'd spare much attention while their house is burning down, though.

 

[itsavro]

AECOM report is out now.

Also, first look at Grand Central station renders.

 

[darwink]

4th to Shepard isn't a line built on future hope. Unless we become an actual broken country it will be added on to. There's a chance here to save all the furniture. Ironically it will take courage to do less even though it is the more prudent thing.

We have an answer to why this isn't viable. Shepard to 4th St SE doesn't even generate half of the ridership of Shepard to 7th and 2nd.

Which similar generates barely any travel time savings (less than 1% compared to 7th and 2nd).

 

[Surrealplaces]

A few more renders from the report.

 

[Surrealplaces]

Also an overhead map showing 3 different options for downtown alignment.

 

[lemongrab]

Only skimmed a bit so far, but I'm pretty impressed with how open and creative they were. Even the idea I've suggested before to interline the red line underpass tunnel (Option 7)

 

[darwink]

We now know why AECOM thinks the two level Plus 15 needs to be removed. 1) the station spans from 6th Ave to south of 7th. Moving the station south removes this conflict. 2) the station has a full length mezzanine. 3) I think they may have made an error, on which Plus 15 has a Plus 30, labeling the one with a roof peak as a plus 30 (where the station is), but missing the one between 7th and 8th.

 

[AtlanticAvenue]

Wow I have to give them credit for creativity.

The 6th Street option is intriguing to me.

 

[Surrealplaces]

A few more renderings of the grand central station