darwink
Senior Member
Nope. Deliver seton to north pointe for the original budget with an elevated central section, with only a requirement that it skirt the event centre and provide transfer point(s) to the red and blue lines.
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lemongrab
Active Member
All fun challenges for the Roads Dept! I don't actually think it would be necessary; I'm just saying to look at the possible mitigations if a 'compromise' like running at-grade across Macleod Trails proves untenable. But I suspect we'd weigh this against various other roads priorities and it would lose. So I'm not sure why it has to be so critical to avoid now...
ahuch
Active Member
I see it as more of a challenge from an execution standpoint than anything. This is a megaproject that was going to be shovel ready in about a months time. You have huge companies that are going to have to either lay off resources or re-allocate them, and not start to pick up the other talent they need. You can't just wind down projects like this on a whim and expect them to start back up again in a short period of time.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
Really?! I mean that isn't going to happen. You couldn't build that using a child's wooden train.
darwink
Senior Member
The Premier has policy wishes. One of those wishes is initial estimates are 100% accurate even when scope is changed and the second is that inflation doesn't exist.
MichaelS
Senior Member
I don't think the bolded part was true. Weren't we only at 60% design costs? Even if the costs were contained, I don't think the project was at a stage to begin construction in that timeframe. (waiting on @accord1999 to provide the correct information.....)
Tothewest
Active Member
This thread is amazing hot garbage rn, in a good way, sharing ideas for something none of us have control over...luckily, one way or another, we will have a green line. If I could, would the best way to describe the different perspectives/options going forward be, regardless of who is paying or responsible for which section
SE
1) above ground/grade line from atleast Ramsay if not Seton, to Scotia Place. Above ground section to city hall/7th
2) same as above, current subway plan from Scotia Place to beltline and down centre st
3) same as above, at grade from Scotia Place down 11th , then down centre st? (not sure how valid, but i know someone mentioned it)
NC
1) A line from "Grand Central/City Hall" down Nose Creek in conjunction with Airport Line. Goes inner city at beddington trail north (this may not actually be the Green Line, so both can be true)
2)Continue Green Line above ground at city hall, over bow, then up edmonton trail (tunnel or at grade)
3)Continue green line above ground at city hall, over the bow, then up centre st (tunnel or at grade)
4) Continue centre st downtown line, over the bow, up centre street (tunnel or at grade)
It's hard to track the changes over the years, and all the alternate citizen group pitches...but does that seem to cover it?
SE
1) above ground/grade line from atleast Ramsay if not Seton, to Scotia Place. Above ground section to city hall/7th
2) same as above, current subway plan from Scotia Place to beltline and down centre st
3) same as above, at grade from Scotia Place down 11th , then down centre st? (not sure how valid, but i know someone mentioned it)
NC
1) A line from "Grand Central/City Hall" down Nose Creek in conjunction with Airport Line. Goes inner city at beddington trail north (this may not actually be the Green Line, so both can be true)
2)Continue Green Line above ground at city hall, over bow, then up edmonton trail (tunnel or at grade)
3)Continue green line above ground at city hall, over the bow, then up centre st (tunnel or at grade)
4) Continue centre st downtown line, over the bow, up centre street (tunnel or at grade)
It's hard to track the changes over the years, and all the alternate citizen group pitches...but does that seem to cover it?
outoftheice
Active Member
So for the last week or so, the UCP was saying that their intervention was going to allow a train to be built down to Seton. The premier said as much to the media just yesterday. Today the minister in charge of delivering the project is now saying Shepard. Maybe more. So instead of getting Eau Claire to Lynnwood with the ability to easily build a future extension down to Shepard, the province is apparently going to deliver East Village to Shepard with no possibility of a beltline, downtown or north central extension and still the need for future extensions southbound.
Curious if this changes people's thoughts on the matter? I get people being excited about building the entire south east section at the expense of downtown but not even getting past Shepard and also not getting into downtown? Seems like a dramatically crappier project plan and that doesn't start to get into the fact this new plan is going to cost a lot of people their jobs and flush a lot of money down the tubes on penalties that could have otherwise been spent on infrastructure
Curious if this changes people's thoughts on the matter? I get people being excited about building the entire south east section at the expense of downtown but not even getting past Shepard and also not getting into downtown? Seems like a dramatically crappier project plan and that doesn't start to get into the fact this new plan is going to cost a lot of people their jobs and flush a lot of money down the tubes on penalties that could have otherwise been spent on infrastructure
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
What you said isn't exactly what he said, it is a short video so won't take much of your time. He doesn't say it will end at Shepard. Here's some screen grabs of the closes captions.
So take from that what you will. We don't know what it will do downtown or even north of Shepard. And the third-party panel, looks more like an engineering firm? We still have no idea what the province has asked this engineering firm to do or who the engineering firm is?
The media sucks, how are they not asking these questions?
darwink
Senior Member
There is no sole source contract listed on the government's website, but that is only updated quarterly by policy (even if it is updated more often in practice).
accord1999
Active Member
The full details are probably only available in the confidential meetings, but yeah the 60% design plan was only presented in June. It would seem unlikely that any significant contracts would be signed, especially knowing about the major scope change that would need approval not just from Alberta but also Canada. Canada wanted an updated case presented to them by August 15.
Tothewest
Active Member
This is why social media is a toxic, toxic tool. I have no political dog in this fight, but they literally said the exact same, THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO REPORT HERE lol. DS: "An engineering firm is going to explore an alternate alignment, how far south can we go"...DD: "will ideally stretch to sheppard and even to the south health campus". Literally the same thing, nothing has changed lol
outoftheice
Active Member
Fair enough. Your comments made me go back and look to where I got that impression. It turned out it was a Rick Bell article talking about building to Seton. In my mind I thought it was a direct quote but re-reading it was Bell's summary of what was said so the UCP's messaging may have been consistent this entire time. Still, I can't be the only one to have made the mistake as the majority of the last few pages of discussion on this forum as well as what it being talked about on social media give a strong impression that people think the UCP are going to build to Seton and the price to do that is ditching the downtown tunnels.
Ramsayite
Active Member
Unsurprisingly a dumpster fire with terrible messaging.
Devon Dreeshen is the MAGA guy who was caught drinking in the office right? Definitely the person I want calling the shots on a transit megaproject. But hey thank goodness it's open up the conversation so that we can beat around the bush on this project a little more.
Devon Dreeshen is the MAGA guy who was caught drinking in the office right? Definitely the person I want calling the shots on a transit megaproject. But hey thank goodness it's open up the conversation so that we can beat around the bush on this project a little more.
An enlightened centrist, eh?
Tothewest
Active Member
So you just sit in the weeds, add nothing interesting to the dialogue, and lob a few personal insults. cool.