[darwink]

Not willing to blindly trust the 'report' that the Province pushed out of which the report itself identifies, that other than, will a track and station barely fit on a road, basically no other impacts were assessed (pg48).
That's not being risk averse, thats accurately assessing the risks that have been presented to you clearly by them being omitted in the first place.

Those risks are not show stoppers, it is basically saying: this is not a design, which is true. The city can task its existing office and contractors to build this. I am reasonably confident the city already has a more advanced version of this report, that was prepared as an option alongside the Lynnwood option.

The city is convinced that it is right, that the entire process that got the city here (short tunnel, short line) was right. That they didn't make spectacular errors at key points. That their evaluation of stakeholder complaints as worth a billion dollars or more was the right call.

That the project shrank every time they tried to accommodate more demands and try to engineer around geology should have been a warning sign blaring that they weren't doing a good job. Instead they stayed path dependent and insisted they were right.

Today, the city can accept the province's report as an opportunity to go yes and (improv style, keep the sketch going), and receive sign off from the feds and province. Or they can say no and book a billion dollar charge on their books.

It is inevitable that the city accepts the report as a general guideline to build elevated. The city should, and get on with it as rapidly as possible.

The city should also take the massive gift from the province: the province rejected the Jim Gray group plan entirely.

 

[trtcttc]

Those risks are not show stoppers, it is basically saying: this is not a design, which is true. The city can task its existing office and contractors to build this. I am reasonably confident the city already has a more advanced version of this report, that was prepared as an option alongside the Lynnwood option.

The city is convinced that it is right, that the entire process that got the city here (short tunnel, short line) was right. That they didn't make spectacular errors at key points. That their evaluation of stakeholder complaints as worth a billion dollars or more was the right call.

That the project shrank every time they tried to accommodate more demands and try to engineer around geology should have been a warning sign blaring that they weren't doing a good job. Instead they stayed path dependent and insisted they were right.

Today, the city can accept the province's report as an opportunity to go yes and (improv style, keep the sketch going), and receive sign off from the feds and province. Or they can say no and book a billion dollar charge on their books.

It is inevitable that the city accepts the report as a general guideline to build elevated. The city should, and get on with it as rapidly as possible.

The city should also take the massive gift from the province: the province rejected the Jim Gray group plan entirely.

If the city has been so inept at building this project, I don't see why the province doesn't take this over? They want the Green Line for Grand Central, the EDM-CGY HSR, the YYC-CGY-Banff Rail. These seem more like regional responsibilities. If the city is beholden to city stakeholders, maybe the province isn't? How about the city foot their portion of the bill, and the province can get this built on their watch? Doug Ford took over the subway from the city because he wanted to have input on the technology, the route, etc. This province can do the same.

 

[darwink]

If the city has been so inept at building this project, I don't see why the province doesn't take this over? They want the Green Line for Grand Central, the EDM-CGY HSR, the YYC-CGY-Banff Rail. These seem more like regional responsibilities. If the city is beholden to city stakeholders, maybe the province isn't? How about the city foot their portion of the bill, and the province can get this built on their watch? Doug Ford took over the subway from the city because he wanted to have input on the technology, the route, etc. This province can do the same.

There isn't enough time to do this, and the city already has contractors in place.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

This province can do the same.

They do not want anything to do with Green Line... Outside of meddling in the Green Line (studying and asking for alternate studies on it), being a big reason why it is the joke it is; the Province wants to be as far away from the Green Line as they can. Even if completed the long memory on the Green Line is still tied to the City. Even if the city adopts the study and we get a Green Line it will be two municipal elections from now when the Mayor takes the first ride on the Green Line. That Mayor should be able to be its saviour, while the Province will stick Nenshi and this council with all its issues.

The Province wants to take the win on Regional and High-Speed Rail.