[Albertasaurus]

The Stampede Station site seems like a better spot for a big hotel IMO, at least in the short term until more of the parking lots on the Stampede grounds and further north get filled in. Right now the grounds are a bit of a no-mans-land outside of event times.

A time will come for a hotel on the Stampede grounds, but in the short term Stampede Station provides better access to amenities, and also access to shopping and entertainment along 17th.

 

[The Familia]

If the hotel on Stampede Trail is dead, what’s the timeline or vision for the retail buildings along the western side of the road from the BMO to where Arriva condos are? Are those lots to remain empty for the next decade as well?

 

[Tothewest]

If the hotel on Stampede Trail is dead, what’s the timeline or vision for the retail buildings along the western side of the road from the BMO to where Arriva condos are? Are those lots to remain empty for the next decade as well?

It isn't dead, it just isn't built yet. When someone sees the value in developing empty lots, they will be developed, no different than anywhere else. If anyone assumed development on 4th or 12th was going to proceed without a firm plan for the ScotiaPlace site....i don't know what to tell ya. A massive, massive linchpin for the area, not in that it's an arena because we already have one, but designed in a way that it's an all day destination which compliments development.

The Stampede Station site seems like a better spot for a big hotel IMO, at least in the short term until more of the parking lots on the Stampede grounds and further north get filled in. Right now the grounds are a bit of a no-mans-land outside of event times.

A time will come for a hotel on the Stampede grounds, but in the short term Stampede Station provides better access to amenities, and also access to shopping and entertainment along 17th.

For it to be successful as a convention hotel, it needs to be attached...one continuous building. There will be other hotel projects in the area i'm sure...but this one needs to be attached.

 

[Duck Lightning]

I just noticed in the elevation renders that the restaurant balcony by the SW entrance is on the upper concourse level, meaning the sports bar is potentially 3 levels tall (main concourse - upper premium level - upper concourse)

 

[jmarchy]

I just noticed in the elevation renders that the restaurant balcony by the SW entrance is on the upper concourse level, meaning the sports bar is potentially 3 levels tall (main concourse - upper premium level - upper concourse)

Believe the design is for it to be two levels per what they say about the planned sports bar here:

Public plazas

Explore Scotia Place, where public plazas invite connection under Calgary’s blue sky. Discover a vibrant destination designed for community and downtown enjoyment.

www.calgary.ca

I had thought the balcony overlooking the plaza was an extension of the upper concourse and not attached to the sports bar but I could be wrong on that.

 

[Duck Lightning]

It's possible they mean two-story indoor seating with a double height view screen + outdoor seating

 

[Tothewest]

I just noticed in the elevation renders that the restaurant balcony by the SW entrance is on the upper concourse level, meaning the sports bar is potentially 3 levels tall (main concourse - upper premium level - upper concourse)

Believe the design is for it to be two levels per what they say about the planned sports bar here:

Public plazas

Explore Scotia Place, where public plazas invite connection under Calgary’s blue sky. Discover a vibrant destination designed for community and downtown enjoyment.

www.calgary.ca

I had thought the balcony overlooking the plaza was an extension of the upper concourse and not attached to the sports bar but I could be wrong on that.

I believe it's all of the above, kind of lol. There is the main floor (concourse) which is the sports bar...then there is the 2nd level (suite level) which based on the look of windows appears to be CSEC offices, doubtful the sports bar is on this level, perhaps some hospitality areas?....then the 3rd level (upper concourse) where the rooftop patio is. So essentially its an elevator ride....or more than likely on game nights, 2 separate destinations?

 

[Duck Lightning]

I believe it's all of the above, kind of lol. There is the main floor (concourse) which is the sports bar...then there is the 2nd level (suite level) which based on the look of windows appears to be CSEC offices, doubtful the sports bar is on this level, perhaps some hospitality areas?....then the 3rd level (upper concourse) where the rooftop patio is. So essentially its an elevator ride....or more than likely on game nights, 2 separate destinations?

If there are offices on the second level (suite level) I believe they're likely be on the north side with access from the north club/suite entrance. There's no street entrance for offices on the west side in this rendition of the project, unlike last time around. The west end likely has a club of some kind because of the theatre boxes that are at that end of the suite level. So maybe the sports bar is on the main concourse and upper concourse (balcony) and on the suite level it becomes a club?

 

[Mountain Man]

The roof over that outdoor patio looks kinda awkward compared to the architecture above it.

 

[Tothewest]

If there are offices on the second level (suite level) I believe they're likely be on the north side with access from the north club/suite entrance. There's no street entrance for offices on the west side in this rendition of the project, unlike last time around. The west end likely has a club of some kind because of the theatre boxes that are at that end of the suite level. So maybe the sports bar is on the main concourse and upper concourse (balcony) and on the suite level it becomes a club?

The entrance based on the schematic looks to be on north side, but it will certainly wrap all the way around, as evidenced by the row of windows above flames store on west side. The club would very likely be contained within the formal arena structure itself, the restaurants/store are sort of an annex

 

[Duck Lightning]

The entrance based on the schematic looks to be on north side, but it will certainly wrap all the way around, as evidenced by the row of windows above flames store on west side. The club would very likely be contained within the formal arena structure itself, the restaurants/store are sort of an annex

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I highlighted the elevation lines on the newer DP version. I agree with your interpretation that there will be offices at least over the Flames store.

 

[Duck Lightning]

This article on Venusnow has a bit more info on the arena that hasn't been talked about here yet: https://venuesnow.com/burnin-love-for-new-calgary-arena/

One of the signature design features is the LED ribbon board that weaves inside and outside the arena, starting from the southwest corner, leading patrons to the main lobby, known as the Great Hall. The 460-foot-long screen would be the longest digital display in Canada, Johnson informed the crowd at the groundbreaking.

The massive screen caused the crew at CAA Icon, the owner’s representative, to cringe a bit at the thought of the large price tag tied to the technology, Johnson said

The board has not yet gone out to bid, said Bob Hunter, the city of Calgary’s consultant and former arena and stadium manager in Toronto, and who declined to discuss the budget.

Sounds like the large outdoor LED screen may be one of the things cut back on if the cost of the project gets too high, although Bill Johnson of HOK pushed hard for it's inclusion, and even joked that HOK would pay for it if the cost got too high:

The joke among the development team convening at a reception following the groundbreaking was that if the high cost of the board somehow doesn’t fit into the budget, “there will be a beautiful sign below it that says it’s sponsored by HOK and if HOK won’t do it, then it’ll say sponsored by Bill Johnson,” Hunter said, tongue in cheek.

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The premium seat inventory will be a mix of 52 suites, 32 loge boxes and terrace tables, 18 theater boxes and three bunker suites. Scotia Place falls in line with the trend of multiple layers of premium products to meet all customers’ budget needs.

We now have confirmation on how many loge, theatre boxes and terrace seats there are. Never heard of a bunker suite, though looking it up they appear to be furnished private rooms away from the seating bowl with a wall covered by an LED screen showing the game.

The Saddledome’s deep sloping roofline is tied to rigging capacity of 90,000 pounds with one loading dock, which in today’s touring market, restricts the older arena’s opportunity to book some of the bigger productions on the road.

By comparison, Scotia Place will boast six loading docks and four auxiliary docks, with a rigging grid that can accommodate up 400,000 pounds of equipment, Hunter said.

“That gives you an idea of the way touring shows are now,” he said. “They’re not at that capacity yet, but (the development team) wanted to do it right. It makes a big different to say the least.”

Loading/Unloading times should be much better now that they can work multiple trucks at once. Also sounds like the capacity is higher than what's needed at the moment, so we have room to grow. The roof capacity is as expected, much higher than the old Saddledome.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

We now have confirmation on how many loge, theatre boxes and terrace seats there are.

Give me an obstructed view nose bleed for the right price and I'm there.

 

[Mountain Man]

I'm ok with them deleting the LED ribbon, our climate hasn't proved to be kind to LED features outside....

Seems like the number of boxes / suites is way less than what they wanted. The dome has something like 70 and I thought they wanted to at least double that.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

I'm ok with them deleting the LED ribbon, our climate hasn't proved to be kind to LED features outside....

Seems like the number of boxes / suites is way less than what they wanted. The dome has something like 70 and I thought they wanted to at least double that.

IMO I think increasing the premium ceiling and the premium floor (loge and terrace tables) is what they were after.