whatchyyc
Active Member
Edmontonians will say otherwise but 7th Ave is a beast
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CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
What's the argument for and against higher frequency but shorter trains? I understand the frequency likely messes with the line capacity but just curious.
darwink
Senior Member
Operational cost is driven by labour, and for a given capacity, more trains equals more LRV operator hours. Plus 7th had been capacity constrained for at least a decade and a half now so the argument was largely moot. Here are numbers from 2006:
| Maintenance/Operating Costs (2006) | Cost (millions) | What changes this cost |
| Rail Central Control | $3.1 | Relatively fixed |
| Vehicle Maintenance costs | $13.9 | Vehicle hours/mileage |
| Station Maintenance costs | $2.8 | Passenger Volume |
| Right of Way Maintenance costs | $2.9 | Vehicle mileage/speed |
| Signals Maintenance costs | $2.4 | Relatively Fixed |
| Average annual power costs | $4.8 | Vehicle hours/mileage/speed |
| Annual LRV Operator wages (includes fringe benefits of 21.57%) | $6.0 | Train hours |
darwink
Senior Member
The LRT tunnel under Calgary city hall
From 1982’s "City Hall Area Redevelopment Plan"
The city borrowed $16.5 million to build the part under the Municipal Building, but not the station boxes or circulation areas under the plazas.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
So everything up to Macleod is built?
darwink
Senior Member
Unclear. I’m confident in saying everything that is under the Municipal Building is built. Under the plaza? Not so much.
Tsuut'ina Nation seeks transit service to its new Taza development
The Tsuut’ina Nation has formally asked Calgary to extend bus service to its new Taza development.
calgaryherald.com
Mountain Man
Senior Member
Seems like a no brainer to add transit service there, as long as the nation pays for half the cost.
Are turnstiles the answer to Calgary's transit woes? Cities that took the plunge tell us what they know
An older article from July, but makes for an interesting discussion.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
I also read this in the morning...
In the article they mention: Working towards a more sustainable way to do this type of policing, the fact that 'quite a few' people they dealt with this time are the same people they dealt with during the summer blitz... It's almost like there's a bigger problem going on (sarcasm).
Turnstiles don't solve THE problem, they solve a problem. That's fine for transit but then you just end up pushing the problem around like hot potato.
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darwink
Senior Member
Don’t think they even push the problem around.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
I know nothing about policing but I feel like if you’re always dealing with the same people you’re doing something wrong.
Turnstiles would help in some ways and be a detriment in others. My worry would be that it would let up on policing believing the turnstiles are doing it for them. It would help reduce the number of homeless people on the trains, and help keep the criminal element off of the platforms. It would help re-coup some costs from people who don't pay, but probably not enough to pay for the turnstile system. I'm not a champion for having turnstiles, but wouldn't be against them either.
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Or the system in general is flawed. I'm not a criminal policing expert either, but I've heard from various people involved that it's usually the same people over and over when it comes to crime in the city. I heard recently, there was a guy in Kelowna (I think) who has been arrested something like 300 times in his life and is still out committing crimes. I've heard from people in Calgary who have said we have those same issues. People who have committed dozens and dozens of crimes but keep hitting the streets.
outoftheice
Active Member
One thing everyone seems to overlook in the turnstiles conversations is Calgary's low income transit passes means a large majority of homeless people will probably still have access to the system. It's just a guess on my part, but I wouldn't be shocked if most of the individuals identified as 'problematic' qualify for the Band A pass that would get them past the turnstiles anyways as the cost of paying $5.60/month for legitimate access to our transit network isn't exactly much of a deterrent to those who like to make Calgary Transit their location of choice for loitering or undesirable behaviour. I'm pro-low income pass policy which makes me anti-turnstiles since it's a large capital and maintenance cost to keep out people who will probably still maintain access anyways.... not to mention turnstiles jumping.
