archited
Senior Member
^^^^ How would you get your Amazon-delivered new electric bicycle?
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BrettB
Active Member
I wouldn't go so far as to close roads to cars, but some well-placed traffic calming does wonders to make a residential street more clycleable. I'm looking at you 96 St between 111 - 118! (My brother constantly uses it as a driving shortcut instead of 95 St or 97 St, sigh)
Avenuer
Senior Member
To avoid shortcutting, 96th, along with 92nd, have been changed to one-way with the additon of the on-street painted bike lane. I live in the area and it seems to have helped prevent shortcutting somewhat.
Airboy
Senior Member
itom987
Senior Member
I believe only 5% of the population bikes to work everyday (minus the children biking to school) and some forumers on this forum are among that group. Having said that, proposing changes that make driving more difficult for the rest of us won't win anyone over to your cause. I have to remind you that 30% of Edmontonians now live oustide of AHD and biking to almost anywhere is not a good option, even if a magical yellow brick bike path were to appear in front of our houses leading to work in straight line. Why you ask? Just crossing the damn highway is a major trek, let alone biking further to where you need to go. Your biking options are much better if you live within AHD. I am in favour improving the existing network by adding under passes at intersections and short cuts that save travel time but the solutions will never serve the entire city.
BrettB
Active Member
I see what you're saying @itom987 - the problem is, cyclists assume all the risk when they interact with traffic. So unless safety measures are put in place that benefit everyone (most drivers I know don't like passing bikes on the road any more than cyclists enjoy the experience), few will ever choose to cycle, even if they wanted to.
itom987
Senior Member
Ken's suggestion of labeling sidewalks multi-use paths to keep bikes and cars separate is an excellent solution that works for the majority.
I have to mention that cyclists do not assume all the risks in traffic because they are not forced to pay for insurance. You bike in a safe manner, you win! Everyone that drives a car collectively loses.
I have to mention that cyclists do not assume all the risks in traffic because they are not forced to pay for insurance. You bike in a safe manner, you win! Everyone that drives a car collectively loses.
BrettB
Active Member
That is what most of suburban Edmonton already has - but the closer you get to the core, the more challenging this is.
itom987
Senior Member
Whyte Ave. and Jasper Ave. sidewalks are the only ones that have enough pedestrian traffic to make biking a problem.
thommyjo
Senior Member
This comments shows a lack of experience about the very topic you’re sharing a lot of opinions on right now.
Also, transportation isn’t just about commuting. A ton of trips, especially for women who are more likely to trip chain and have more local trips related to schools/kids/shopping/friends, are done within 3-5kms of their home. These are very bikeable. Our new suburbs have decent MUPs as a staple now along collectors which is a good first step. Better traffic calming or bike lanes are need between residential streets and those MUPs though. And better intersections are key as many outside the henday are 6-10 lanes wide and have no signage or markings for bikes, so things like right turns on red or left turns become very dangerous for pedestrians and bikers…especially if travelling over 15km/hr on a bike.
The idea the travelling to the henday is a hike is both funny and somewhat true/false. I can bike from 170st to a new home in rosenthal or Edgemont in about 15mins. That’s not that crazy. The fact that you mention that though also shows how silly our sprawl has gotten.
With ebikes, these distances are especially manageable. You could commute from outside the henday to downtown in 30-40mins, which isn’t very different than the time in a car.
All district connectors need to be bike lanes though. Not shared use. Shared use should only be used for local/residential routes. Especially when many of the SUPs are bidirectional because the parallel option is still a sidewalk, you can’t be sharing those easily. 102ave in glenora is a constant problem.
Gronk!
Senior Member
That $600 million is looking like it could be a sound investment.
I want to see the Oliverbahn extended west from 124 St to about 142 St.
I want to see the Oliverbahn extended east to 95 St.
I want to see the 100 Ave bike lane extended from 109 St to 116 St.
I want a MUP built on the west side of Groat Road from 107 Ave to Hawrelak Park - this includes a MUP on west side of the Groat Bridge (I'm still pissed off that this wasn't included in the recent renovation).
I want that pedestrian bridge across 100 St built.
I want to see construction of MUPs that will connect the central core to all directions in the city.
And even still, women overall are saddled with the majority of household duties. It's not sexist to observe this
ChazYEG
Senior Member
EXACTLY! not unusual for women to have double-duties most of the time, because their partners are a-holes. Acknowledging this is actually a goo step towards changing it.
Garneau2Go
Active Member
This is a lot more compelling argument I think for getting support for bike infrastructure than straight commuting. Add in safety and independence for kids biking and dedicated lanes in suburbs make a lot of sense. When the neighborhood matures or densifies, the infrastructure is already there too.
dkazzed
Active Member
I agree, it's sadly the norm for women to bear the responsibility of kids/house which in itself is practically a full time job, despite also being a modern woman having a full time job. That's the sexist part.