vic
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Also interesting is that the map inside the bus shelter is a TTC map.
Bus stop + shelter is maintained by Toronto / Astral.
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Bus stop + shelter is maintained by Toronto / Astral.Northern Light
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I have confirmed there are no material changes to this project.
All bike lanes/cycle tracks will have separation, but curbs appear only where there is no parking; where there is parking, you get the bollards.
UntitledCyclist
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Je suis dans le ward de Matlow! I confess! Pourquoi?
dullturtle06
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honestly they should just build a bi-directional cycle track with a 4 meter width. It would be a better use of the limited space, as you could consolidate the buffers space into one.
UntitledCyclist
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Bollards with no curbs? More like bollocks.
The only places I've seen that are maybe the Bloor Viaduct, or some early installs on Bloor West's bikeway. I am sure there are others, but it's a) a less efficient install as the bollards must be bolted into the road, rather than into curbs, but moreover, b) They get mowed down mercilessly, as there is little incentive for cars and trucks not to run into them accidentally on purpose.
The amount of safe passage they give cyclists is minimal, just slightly better than paint alone. Given the volumes and aggressiveness on Eglinton currently, I see this as a fatal flaw, and unfortunately that may be literal.
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UntitledCyclist
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I have been searching for answers on a city council motion from Councillor Colle, passed in 2021 for transportation services to do a feasibility study on building a bridge over the Allen, which is really the only way to make a sensible Beltline extension work.
Unfortunately I recently conirmed that staff have not done this or started it, and they have no plans to. They cited budget and other priorities, but still a bit of a shock that staff can simply not do something that was requested and passed at council three years ago.
Maybe someday it will be done, but for now they are focused on selling these above changes. They are mostly postive, but I think converting the south sidewalk on Roselawn to a bidirectional MUP is a cop out. It forces very different users together in close quarters, as it's not like they have the width of the MGT there. It's a compromise based on the space they have, and not wanting to even consider the bigger challenge of making a truly seamless trail across the Allen.
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afransen
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By bolllards, I assume they mean flexiposts?
Flexiposts are definitely not bollards worthy of the term. A bollard is a physical impediment to provide protection. A flexipost is glorified paint that won't deflect a vehicle and may make the driver think twice about scuffing their paint.
Flexiposts are definitely not bollards worthy of the term. A bollard is a physical impediment to provide protection. A flexipost is glorified paint that won't deflect a vehicle and may make the driver think twice about scuffing their paint.
UntitledCyclist
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Fair point. Bollards seems to be the term used by the city of Toronto for several designs, but all of them are plastic and more or less flimsy. The newer ones put in in High Park, for example, are a sturdier round design but still plastic and would do no real damage to a car. Other than the low barrier curbs like on Adelaide, I don't see many bike lane protections in Toronto that prioritize cyclist safety above car damage.
evandyk
Senior Member
Aren't they specifically designed to be a visual barrier but not do any damage to a car or stop a car's motion in any way (which would damage the car)? The top priority in their design isn't safety but minimizing car damage.
Dan416
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As a driver and occasional cyclist, I think that's pretty dumb. If you're serious about protecting cyclists, use something that won't leave the car unscathed.
TwinHuey
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Yesterday's Toronto Star
www.thestar.com
"One of my most vivid memories from my training as a physician is attempting to resuscitate a cyclist who was hit by a pickup truck. He died. If he had been in a protected bike lane, his outcome could have been completely different. We have the opportunity to make our streets safer, the air cleaner, and our city more livable."
As an intensive care doctor, I’ve seen up close Toronto’s tragic failure to make the city safe for cyclists
Multiple developments will increase density in Etobicoke and elsewhere in Toronto. There simply isn’t enough space for everyone to rely on their cars all the time, Dr. Christopher Yarnell writes.
www.thestar.com
"One of my most vivid memories from my training as a physician is attempting to resuscitate a cyclist who was hit by a pickup truck. He died. If he had been in a protected bike lane, his outcome could have been completely different. We have the opportunity to make our streets safer, the air cleaner, and our city more livable."
UpperAvenue
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Summoning @Northern Light for this one... Out of curiosity, has the idea of an East Rail Trail ever been explored? Looking at the map, it seems like the section of the Lakeshore East line between the Danforth and East Point Park would offer a real benefit. It would connect the Danforth bike lanes to the Highland Creek and Waterfront trails and with access to 3 GO Stations along the way. It also seems like there would be sufficient space to put a trail along the majority of the route with maybe the exception of the stretch from Birchmount to Kennedy.
Northern Light
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You rang?
I don't believe the rail corridor has been considered for a trail here. However, the lands of the former Scarborough Transportation Corridor (the lands acquired to build the Scarborough Expressway have been, in spots). The STC lands generally parallel the rails.
Trail is in in place from Brimley to Bellamy:
I know the City looked at some of the following section below, not sure if it was the whole thing:
This was over 10 years ago now, at the time, the homeowners threw an unholy fit at the thought of a bike trail behind their homes, all sorts of nonsense about attracting ne'er do wells.
The corridor was sold off near Midland, and is pinched there as a result. (short sighted)
East of Guildwood, alot of the land is there, but the homes on Portia street might be a problem. Dow Chemical might be as well.
There is no space west of Kennedy to west of Warden:
Warden to VP the apparent space to the north, a few properties excepted is reserved to the 4th track project for GO Transit.
The land to the south is being developed.
West of Victoria Park there is room for a segment to Dawes Road, but that's about it.
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To me, the high priority would be the Markham to Kingston Road segment. Its been looked at before and is viable. Most of the rest is challenging and/or pretty short.
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robmausser
Senior Member
To continue this, a report/study/request by the city went out 5-8 years ago about adding rail trails along MX owned rails, and they basically politely said to F*$% off. They said its not possible, without any sort of reasoning.
I can't find this report of course now.
Northern Light
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Of course, Mx is building the West Toronto Rail Path extension...........but at what I consider a grossly inflated price w/costs from Mx's other project there being transferred to the City (my reading).
Seems Mx is persuadable when there's enough $$ sloshing around.
Now, on a value for money basis........