[felix123]

Is there another modern example of a city shutting down a rapid transit line for at least seven years while a replacement is built? Not to mention there are only four metro lines here and virtually no redundancy, in the largest city in the country. We won't even get back to four until 2030.

This is a tragedy for Scarborough and the RT's short lifespan shouldn't have been treated as a foregone conclusion, with or without its proposed LRT conversion or subway replacement. Just look at where that thinking has landed us.

The city needs to stop acting like running a planned 70 buses an hour is going to be anything more than a joke. I doubt that busway will happen particularly quickly, either.

 

[T3G]

doubt that busway will happen particularly quickly, either.

Isn't it projected to take until 2025? It's already going to take an age.

Can't imagine what would take so long about ripping up tracks and paving them over.

 

[sixrings]

Is there another modern example of a city shutting down a rapid transit line for at least seven years while a replacement is built? Not to mention there are only four metro lines here and virtually no redundancy, in the largest city in the country. We won't even get back to four until 2030.

This is a tragedy for Scarborough and the RT's short lifespan shouldn't have been treated as a foregone conclusion, with or without its proposed LRT conversion or subway replacement. Just look at where that thinking has landed us.

The city needs to stop acting like running a planned 70 buses an hour is going to be anything more than a joke. I doubt that busway will happen particularly quickly, either.

When you have a tight schedule, defer funding, then you change plans to something far more extensive this was all but inevitable.

 

[Bureaucromancer]

Is there another modern example of a city shutting down a rapid transit line for at least seven years while a replacement is built? Not to mention there are only four metro lines here and virtually no redundancy, in the largest city in the country. We won't even get back to four until 2030.

This is a tragedy for Scarborough and the RT's short lifespan shouldn't have been treated as a foregone conclusion, with or without its proposed LRT conversion or subway replacement. Just look at where that thinking has landed us.

The city needs to stop acting like running a planned 70 buses an hour is going to be anything more than a joke. I doubt that busway will happen particularly quickly, either.

Closest would be the O-Train conversion.

 

[Islington Express Bus]

New York's Second Avenue Elevated line was closed in 1942 in anticipation of a subway being constructed along the same route. Phase 1 of the Second Avenue subway opened in 2017.

 

[APTA-2048]

New TTC chair doesn't anticipate Scarborough RT returning to service following derailment

Toronto residents may have seen the last of the Scarborough Rapid Transit (SRT), according to the newly appointed chair of the TTC board.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

New TTC chair doesn't anticipate Scarborough RT returning to service following derailment​

Toronto residents may have seen the last of the Scarborough Rapid Transit (SRT), according to the newly appointed chair of the TTC board.

Speaking to CP24 on Friday, Coun. Jamaal Myers said he is "operating under the assumption that the SRT line…will not be operating again because of the expense to fix it."

 

[Richard White]

New TTC chair doesn't anticipate Scarborough RT returning to service following derailment

Toronto residents may have seen the last of the Scarborough Rapid Transit (SRT), according to the newly appointed chair of the TTC board.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

New TTC chair doesn't anticipate Scarborough RT returning to service following derailment​

Toronto residents may have seen the last of the Scarborough Rapid Transit (SRT), according to the newly appointed chair of the TTC board.

Speaking to CP24 on Friday, Coun. Jamaal Myers said he is "operating under the assumption that the SRT line…will not be operating again because of the expense to fix it."

This makes sense and confirms what Steve Munro heard which is the decision has already been made not to restore it

 

[allengeorge]

Why does it take until winter 2025 for the busway to be operational?!

 

[Islington Express Bus]

They have to tear out the old RT infrastructure and design and build the new bus infrastructure.

 

[KevinT]

They have to tear out the old RT infrastructure and design and build the new bus infrastructure.

I still have trouble picturing how buses will successfully use such a narrow and elevated right of way, even with the tracks gone and pavement put down. They don't run on rails, they have to be steered by a human. For a single bus it's enough width, but for two passing each other...

I should really just hunt down and peek at the plans, perhaps it's obvious once you see it.

 

[CapitalSeven]

They aren't going to use the elevated portion, just the ground-level segment running along the GO tracks. That said, the elevated structure is wide enough to be retrofitted as guided busway, but I assume they concluded it wasn't very practical or cost effective to do so.

 

[W. K. Lis]

They aren't going to use the elevated portion, just the ground-level segment running along the GO tracks. That said, the elevated structure is wide enough to be retrofitted as guided busway, but I assume they concluded it wasn't very practical or cost effective to do so.

If they use "guided buses", they can use the converted right-of-way. But since WE didn't think of it, we can't use them.

If they don't go with "guided buses", the right-of-way needs to be widened to at least the width of an expressway lane (in each direction). The non-guided buses will wonder back and forth in the lane, so needs the extra space.

 

[Steve X]

If they use "guided buses", they can use the converted right-of-way. But since WE didn't think of it, we can't use them.

If they don't go with "guided buses", the right-of-way needs to be widened to at least the width of an expressway lane (in each direction). The non-guided buses will wonder back and forth in the lane, so needs the extra space.

Nice idea but they obviously don't work in snow.

 

[W. K. Lis]

Nice idea but they obviously don't work in snow.

Heated guideways, that turn on only when it snows. After a snowfall, turns off. Can be done automatically. As the buses pass over, they would crush and melt the snow.

From link.

 

[allengeorge]

They have to tear out the old RT infrastructure and design and build the new bus infrastructure.

I didn’t realize they were using the RT ROW - I thought they were repurposing a lane from the existing street grid. In that light a 2025 buildout seemed insane.

It turns out I was completely wrong!