salsa
Senior Member
Not so lite mate.
Olivia Chow finished 3rd place in every one of those wards. Ford and Tory got over 80% of the vote.
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Not so lite mate.
Olivia Chow finished 3rd place in every one of those wards. Ford and Tory got over 80% of the vote.
My point was Scarborough voted for Rob Ford Heavy.
Originally this discussion was about how willing Scarborough residents wish to see their taxes rise for their pet project. With Ford getting 50% of the vote and Tory getting almost 2/3rds of the remaining vote under the same BS austerity platform, I think it's safe to say that Scarborough voters want overbuilt transit and have no interest in paying for any of it.
You're looking at it from only one aspect. If the tax was going to actually build/maintain something for the people getting ignored in the suburbs its not that much of an issue. But their voices were ignored for too long and thus you are seeing the residual effect. Its not only taxes. I think the largest group screaming about taxes are from the transit rich areas and there media megaphone.
The far left can turn into staunch conservatives when Scarborough investment is being discussed
Oh, please. I vaguely more or less support the 3 stop extension, and that's still nonsense. Ford and Tory run on a platform of "finding efficiencies". The SSE is anything but an efficiency. If you asked a dozen Ford supporters about how to cut taxes, they'd talk about "cutting waste". From a strict dollars and cents point of view, the SSE is wasteful. The hypocrisy charge is a fair one.
Yes, your councillors may have ignored _you_. They may have listened to people who wanted large wide roads rather than making sensible investments, but that would have been your councillors, from Scarborough, not the downtown councillors whose job it isn't to manage Scarborough.
No one from Scarborough has ever managed to show anything that proves that Scarborough is short changed from either a capital or an operational perspective. It probably requires investment, and I hope it is one that pays off, both in dollars and cents and, you know, you losing that chip on your shoulder, but there is no proof, no set of studies, suggesting it is now, or historically, short changed.
What alignments do you recommend?
Revisit the SRT alignment - see what can be done to improve it (the argument against being the turns slows it down too much). If one argue that this alignment doesn't serve where the demand is - sorry, a one stop subway to STC definitely serves less.
Actually, I think the far left wants the Scarborough investment. It seems to be the right that wants to waste the money on this less-deserving mega-project.
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as a former Scarborough resident I find the constant talk of being treated like third class citizens tiring and although I should be a better person, angers me enough that I hope they get nothing but tax increases of course.
So much wrong here and so much right. No reason to argue whats wrong in detail because its politics and there's not black or white ever.
But certain things are cut & dry and the ONE major problem is Scarborough has no urgency or priority from the City itself to build quality and attract investment. You can blame the past all you want. Im talking about recently and today. Amalgamation has taken any chance of detailed & focused growth/revitalization plan which we see in many 905 City's have found success. Instead of focus its debates not to build led by the richer areas in Toronto. Very problematic for the growth of the City