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Voltz said:
Which would put the SRT platform well east of the SRT corridor, with the trains coming out of the ground facing east, these plans were designed by experts who know what they are doing and take into account many details
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Sure the SRT would be underground until you could bend it back to it's corridor, still cheaper and made more sense than what we're about to do.

Voltz said:
not just an irrational hatred of the left or pro-LRT people.
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The best solution was always to refurbish the RT and possibly find a solution for the Kennedy transfer. Someone with an agenda decided to throw the TTC (the experts you're referring to) reports out the window and wanted his toy LRT instead, at higher cost. Oh, that person also deferred the Relief Line in his term...:rolleyes:

I'm not anti-LRT, I'm pro LRT where they make sense like Waterfront, Jane, Finch and Crosstown East.

Eglinton and SRT should have been merged as Skytrain, certainly not Don Mills which looked like a substitute for the more appropriate Relief Long.
 
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A Metrolinx analysis concluded that adding SmartTrack stations at Finch, Lawrence, and St. Clair would lead to more than a billion extra kilometres driven over the next 60 years. The station at Lawrence East alone would attract some new riders, but would also increase existing GO travel times and result in a net *loss* of 490 riders per day. If it wasn't for SmartTrack, this station would have been on the subway extension where it should have been all along.
 
salsa said:
"Why can't the left compromise, yadi yada."
"Why can't subway supports put the subway above ground to save money."

Guys, do really want politicians to be the ones deciding what form of transit to build, where the lines and stations should go, etc? Why can't we just put our biases aside and advocate for the best possible transit plan (whatever that happens to be) based on the advice of qualified city staff? Because frankly this subway plan (which is entirely politically driven) as currently proposed is appalling in just about every possible way.
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I get what you are trying to say but Political bias will always be present. Qualified professionals may also have different opinion on a technology and depending where that professional resides that could also create bias.

We have a current network that has been built in pieces and there are so many ways to connect into it. Scarborough Centre and Sheppard East commuters have been asked (once again) to accept a separate technology from the main network to receive a very good local network. That's great and has a lot of benefit but its an "easy way out" approach that does create an extra transfer which does impact commuters negatively and it does separate Scarborough Centre from the City's main infrastructure which is important for attractiveness and business.

We just need to build. Rob Ford's Eglinton LRT connection was decent, but at this stage we need to just get building. We can alleviate one of the issues immediately with the subway and hopefully get started on a local network. The LRT was Political, the Subway is Political, every line that was built was Political. The issue right now is the City is so divided that its been very easy to tear apart plans, and draw new lines we need to just get building. The cost of the SSE compared to the SLRT is not significant, especially in the bigger picture. We have to move on.
 
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salsa said:
A Metrolinx analysis concluded that adding SmartTrack stations at Finch, Lawrence, and St. Clair would lead to more than a billion extra kilometres driven over the next 60 years. The station at Lawrence East alone would attract some new riders, but would also increase existing GO travel times and result in a net *loss* of 490 riders per day. If it wasn't for SmartTrack, this station would have been on the subway extension where it should have been all along.
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Sounds like there should be express and local trains to avoid this problem.

It might be difficult to run local/express trains on a 2 track line but express/local service with passing tracks exists in other countries.
 
salsa said:
A Metrolinx analysis concluded that adding SmartTrack stations at Finch, Lawrence, and St. Clair would lead to more than a billion extra kilometres driven over the next 60 years. The station at Lawrence East alone would attract some new riders, but would also increase existing GO travel times and result in a net *loss* of 490 riders per day. If it wasn't for SmartTrack, this station would have been on the subway extension where it should have been all along.
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There is only one project that should be getting assaulted & cancelled. This is it. Add a stop back on the SSE on Lawrence and put some toward Eglinton East
 
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Found this on Twitter
Looks like buses for everyone LOL
 

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salsa said:
Part of making Scarborough great again is to force everybody to go to Scarborough Centre.
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They were already going there.
McCowan, Elsemere and Midland barely had anyone using them.
Lawrence East had more people and everyone agrees that making it Smarttrack is idiotic, especially after Metrolinx report.
 
Cobra said:
They were already going there.
McCowan, Elsemere and Midland barely had anyone using them.
Lawrence East had more people and everyone agrees that making it Smarttrack is idiotic, especially after Metrolinx report.
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Its idiotic to make Lawerence a Smarttrack station simply because it should be an LRT station. In that, this subway is the real stupid idea here.
 
robmausser said:
Its idiotic to make Lawerence a Smarttrack station simply because it should be an LRT station. In that, this subway is the real stupid idea here.
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LRT is just AS IDIOTIC as subway. True answer is Skytrain with MkIII trains merged to Eglinton. But hey, Council was too busy getting back at Rob Ford than seeing the bigger picture
 
Cobra said:
LRT is just AS IDIOTIC as subway. True answer is Skytrain with MkIII trains merged to Eglinton. But hey, Council was too busy getting back at Rob Ford than seeing the bigger picture
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You can give the Provincial Liberals some credit too.
  • They helped come up with the merged plan.
  • They studied it and found it the best (June 2012 Metrolinx report).
  • They hid report from Council for 16 months, allowing Council to make decisions without the available info.
  • They too abandoned the merged plan since the opportunity arose to defeat Ford.
  • They worked in the background to temporarily bring back LRT, with real goal of being "subway champion" to win a by-election.
  • They too get credit for this boondoggle.
 
Since no tracks have been laid yet perhaps it's not too late to have Innovia trains on the Crosstown and merge it with the SRT, they can also put those trains on Sheppard and extend that too.
 
Cobra said:
LRT is just AS IDIOTIC as subway. True answer is Skytrain with MkIII trains merged to Eglinton. But hey, Council was too busy getting back at Rob Ford than seeing the bigger picture
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Crap, I was going to say this but I didnt want to get into the minutia. I am 110% for the RT refurbishment and extension. Sorry :(

I just kinda have given up on it because it simply would be very difficult at this stage in the game to get people to agree to it. It would look like a 3rd plan to them, not realizing it was the original plan.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...lect-of-scarborough-rt-is-shameful-james.html
 
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