Johnny Au
Senior Member
Atlanta also has striped subway trains and they sure look as if it belonged in the 1980s.
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http://www.neptis.org/publications/transit-city-lrt-schemes/chapters/what-wrong-schemesOne alternative would be for TTC to get Bombardier, or another manufacturer, to supply 40 replacement cars, for a price of about $4 million each or $160 million.
That's not the just the refurb budget for the fleet. That's also to deal with the track, stations, power ... for the next decade.$132M seems pretty steep for a refurb that is only to last a decade or less. And according to Neptis, we could buy a brand new fleet of Mark 1 trains for a similar price:
I would be interested in knowing who still manufactures Mark 1 trains because this is this first i've heard of this. Did some manufacturer suddenly decide to start making them again under our noses? Maybe it was Boeing or Airbus because i know they must be itching at the chance to build these...$132M seems pretty steep for a refurb that is only to last a decade or less. And according to Neptis, we could buy a brand new fleet of Mark 1 trains for a similar price:
http://www.neptis.org/publications/transit-city-lrt-schemes/chapters/what-wrong-schemes
No ones makes Mark 1 cars and they were built in Millhaven, Ontario by UTDC, now Bombardier.I would be interested in knowing who still manufactures Mark 1 trains because this is this first i've heard of this. Did some manufacturer suddenly decide to start making them again under our noses? Maybe it was Boeing or Airbus because i know they must be itching at the chance to build these...
That's not the just the refurb budget for the fleet. That's also to deal with the track, stations, power ... for the next decade.
Though since when did we take Neptis seriously?
I would be interested in knowing who still manufactures Mark 1 trains because this is this first i've heard of this. Did some manufacturer suddenly decide to start making them again under our noses? Maybe it was Boeing or Airbus because i know they must be itching at the chance to build these...
Thanks drum I already knew about all that, I was trying to be sarcastic but guess it didnt come off too well.No ones makes Mark 1 cars and they were built in Millhaven, Ontario by UTDC, now Bombardier.
Only Mark II around as production cars and that may cease in the coming years
The Mark I for TTC were built 1983-85
It is part of the ledger for the subway extension. It's part of the city portion of the subway, and it's payment is coming out of that tax surcharge we are now paying.That $132 milllion needs to added to the ledger for the subway extension. The TTC was hoping to shut the SRT down next year so they could replace it with the Crosstown. Now they have to keep it running for another decade.
If you flip through that report I linked to, Neptis claims that it should be relatively simple to tender a contract to Bombardier for them to assemble updated Mark 1 cars. But I’m starting to doubt how truthful that is. And as Nfitz mentions, I think there’s a consensus on this forum that we should take what Neptis says with a grain of salt.
And yet if they went and simply replaced the 28 existing cars, with 58 new Mark I vehicles for $290 million instead of the 44 longer Mark II vehicles they decided to buy for $170 million, we wouldn't be in this mess. And would have been completed 5 years ago!The TTC, understandably so, told them "we'll think about it and get back to you" and quietly forgot about that idea.
No ones makes Mark 1 cars and they were built in Millhaven, Ontario by UTDC, now Bombardier.
Only Mark II around as production cars and that may cease in the coming years
The Mark I for TTC were built 1983-85
Oh god no.
http://media.giphy.com/media/12XMGIWtrHBl5e/giphy.gif
A refurb is a good idea but that's so damn ugly. Does the TTC think that people don't know what line they're on or where it stops?! Are they TTC's colours not red, white, and black?
Dammit TTC.
I think I'd prefer the striped design over having the SRT's station names painted on the car, as seen in the render. The blue should be interesting though.