The Mad Navigator
Banned
Personally, I'd rather see nothing get built and leave everything as is.
I could use a little more chaos on my commute to work every morning!
I could use a little more chaos on my commute to work every morning!
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GenerationW
Senior Member
The canceling of most, and probably all current streetcar lines and replacement streetcars for those lines are (or will be) off the table, and in reality were barely on the table.
The $300 million Federal money for Sheppard was originally intended to be a larger amount for a Sheppard subway extension. Miller and Giambrone said no to the subway and yes to a compromised federal contribution for the SELRT. Whether the Feds are still willing to pony up for a Sheppard subway while running a deficit is what's being considered right now.
Of the money that has been spent so far on Sheppard, the Agincourt Underpass Construction (which has to be done regardless) has taken up the majority of that amount.
Public utterances are one thing. Privately, the Province is bending over backwards to find common ground with Ford, which means plans have already been reopened.
Is that 43-2 transit vote prediction more ironclad than your "everyone knows Rob Ford has no chance of winning" prediction?
Nothing getting built or started: Doubtful, but not impossible.
nfitz
Superstar
If you believe that, why did you say "If Ford gets his transit plan approved (and I'm betting he will)". I was simply challenging that statement, which is what lead to this debate. How come you object to me challenging that statement, and yet you also believe that part of Ford's transit plan is off the table?
That sounds incorrect to me. The Feds didn't mention one word about funding Sheppard until 2 years after we were discussing Sheppard East LRT. They had about 15 years before that to offer funding, and didn't offer one cent. Do you have any reference to support that
Rainforest
Senior Member
^ Some of Ford's transit proposals are clearly off the table, as they will meet very little support and a lot of opposition. His proposals to remove the existing streetcar routes and to defer the Eglinton line fall into that group.
But that does not mean all of his proposals are off the table. There is no contradiction here.
But that does not mean all of his proposals are off the table. There is no contradiction here.
Dan416
Senior Member
We've already got word that the Sheppard West subway extension is on the table so I'd say it looks like Ford's plan is starting to become more clear.
nfitz
Superstar
Perhaps the only part of Ford's plan that might get built, given that his other plans all conflict with well advanced projects. And although passenger demand is likely to be even lower than the Sheppard East subway, at least it will provide some network connectivity, and provide access from Wilson Yard to the Yonge subway extension.
Not sure what indication there is that it's on the table though ... Ford is currently at the Ford mansion in Florida working on his tan.
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
Word from who? I haven't heard this.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
What is oil rich Saudi Arabia doing with them opening a light rail line to transport pilgrims between Mina, Arafat and Muzdalifa — three stops during the pilgrims’ journey that trace the steps of the Prophet Muhammad and Abraham? Rob Ford better get on the phone with them in Saudi Arabia to dismantle their light rail line and replace it with buses, so they can continue to use their local product, oil. See this link for the Star article.
superman
Active Member
What is oil rich Saudi Arabia doing with them opening a light rail line to transport pilgrims between Mina, Arafat and Muzdalifa — three stops during the pilgrims’ journey that trace the steps of the Prophet Muhammad and Abraham? Rob Ford better get on the phone with them in Saudi Arabia to dismantle their light rail line and replace it with buses, so they can continue to use their local product, oil. See this link for the Star article.
The "light rail" is more SRT than Transit City. They even have platform screen doors!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5WOWN7vGCw&feature=player_embedded#!
leopetr
Active Member
Eglinton LRT is compatible with platform screen doors as designed. It will have automatic train control from day 1.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
That Saudi light rail train was built by 14,000 Chinese workers. Probably a savings there (Ford: hint, hint).
rbt
Senior Member
Hmm.. Government gets back a lot of the capital funds through income and sales tax revenue. The savings from bringing in immigrants who immediately send all funds back to their country of origin may not be all that high, particularly of the local guy is on unemployment at the time.
Saudi Arabia has zero income and sales taxation for locals. Corporations are between 25 and 45%: A corporation who makes significant profit by bringing in foreigners has a substantial return to the government via taxation.
Justin10000
Banned
Sevilla's LRT line is equipped with platform screen doors. The metro is probably the best example of what to expect with the ECLRT.
Silence&Motion
Senior Member
Hmmm..importing low-wage Chinese laborers to complete a Canadian railway. Rob Ford might just be ignorant enough of Chinese-Canadian history to suggest such a thing.
SlickFranky
Active Member
Regardless of some past issues, it's a pretty good idea. They do "work like dogs" afterall.