They seemed to do Queen's Quay station without much of a problem, and heck, that thing is built in 100% infill.
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They seemed to do Queen's Quay station without much of a problem, and heck, that thing is built in 100% infill.
rbt
Senior Member
Erm.. Might want to check on that again. The actual lifespan of this location is going to be significantly less than expected and has already undergone closures for structural issues. The slurry wall construction method used here (is it Madrid that builds this way?) did not work well.
There are lots of locations which are fully submerged or even in the middle of streams with York Mills being one of the more successful locations.
I was aware of some engineering issues, but I figured that they had been resolved, thanks for the update. Oh well, look on the bright side, the engineers now know what NOT to do when it comes to building the DRL!
And yes, York Mills is a perfect example of that as well. Probably a much better successful example than QQ.
CDL.TO
Moderator
You mean the high water table?
I can't help but be impressed by St-Michel – Notre-Dame station in Paris, which was built under the Siene, with exits at one end of the platform serving one bank of the river, and exits at the other end of the platform serving Ile Cite in the middle of the river.
Yeah, a Union DRL might not be as straightforward as most stations but it's hardly groundbreaking engineering.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
Hate to say it but it's more of Toronto's can't do attitude. We have so much land available that any significant engineering feat is seen as far to expensive and we accept sprawl as the result.
As has been said Toronto is not the first city to deal with these sorts of engineering problems, it's just that we are unwilling to take them on.
As has been said Toronto is not the first city to deal with these sorts of engineering problems, it's just that we are unwilling to take them on.
Asterix
Active Member
Yeah, that would make more sense.
More importantly than the costly engineering (again - not impossible) is that it simply makes more functional sense to run the line further north closer to where the majority of riders are actually going.
rbt
Senior Member
There are a dozen threads on this board complaining about how subway construction costs are inflated here. Taking on any additional complexity will only drive up the costs. This board is fairly transit friendly, can't imagine what a hostile group would be like.
allabootmatt
Senior Member
http://www.windsorstar.com/news/Streetcars+pitched+city+core/4606087/story.html
I'm a bit curious as to who told this guy streetcar lines in Toronto are about to start closing. I sincerely hope that's conjecture and not based on, say, meetings with the TTC.
I'm a bit curious as to who told this guy streetcar lines in Toronto are about to start closing. I sincerely hope that's conjecture and not based on, say, meetings with the TTC.
RapidTransit
Active Member
I think they are referring to the TC lines that were canceled, not the actual Legacy network.
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Markster
Senior Member
From the article:
The second half though, referring to "surplus streetcars" is probably referring to the fact that the existing fleet is getting replaced, so Windsor could snag a couple of them.
The first half is probably just hearsay that the reporter heard from the election.
The second half though, referring to "surplus streetcars" is probably referring to the fact that the existing fleet is getting replaced, so Windsor could snag a couple of them.
They may be referring to the vehicles themselves, which will become surplus once the new streetcars arrive. Seeing as how they would only need a few for the line, it makes sense to get used ones.
toraerach
Active Member
Would they legally be allowed to use our old high-floor streetcars though? Wouldn't provincial law force them to go with an accessible low-floor vehicle?
EnviroTO
Senior Member
All new purchases would need to meet accessibility requirements. This means the infrastructure built new would need to be accessible, but if they got hand-me-down vehicles that might be allowed. I'm not sure if the grandfathering applies when the vehicles switch owners. There might be a deadline by which all transit must be accessible but based on the TTC elevator installation plans that time is beyond the life of the CLRVs.
Justin10000
Banned
St. Andrew's Station was build using the slirry wall method.
drum118
Superstar
The current TTC fleet cannot be grandfather if sold to Windsor or any Ontario transit system unless they use them as a tourist line or build high floor platforms for them.
MTO wanted TTC fleet to be 100% accessibly by 2012 like the buses have to be, but back off to the 2018. Beyond that date, they have to be off the road as regular service cars.
MTO has fast track ODA standards from the 2025 deadline.