I'm surprised a compromise wasn't made with Katz regarding amending the Coliseum. He came to the city a year or so ago asking for support in (I believe) ten million dollars worth of electrical work to the Ice District. The city could have used that request as leverage to get out of a bad deal with the coliseum and Ice District itself could have got the amenities it will eventually need in the future.

I dunno, I miss the Coliseum. I wish it could have found life as a more affordable venue for shows like CFR, Wrestling events, concerts, Monster Jam, etc. Pacific Coliseum serves such a purpose to the Lower Mainland.
 
it’s my guess that there were more than a few potential compromises to be made regarding the coliseum.

it’s also my guess that there are still more than a few potential compromises to be made regarding the coliseum.

unfortunately it’s also my guess that none of them will be made because there is no willingness to even pursue them and we will all be poorer for it.
 
Stevey_G said:
I'm surprised a compromise wasn't made with Katz regarding amending the Coliseum. He came to the city a year or so ago asking for support in (I believe) ten million dollars worth of electrical work to the Ice District. The city could have used that request as leverage to get out of a bad deal with the coliseum and Ice District itself could have got the amenities it will eventually need in the future.

I dunno, I miss the Coliseum. I wish it could have found life as a more affordable venue for shows like CFR, Wrestling events, concerts, Monster Jam, etc. Pacific Coliseum serves such a purpose to the Lower Mainland.
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We are talking about the same group who hosted the PBR the same weekend as the CFR which didn't do much aside from hurt each other. The terms in that contract are a hill the Katz Group would probably die on.
 
kcantor said:
it’s my guess that there were more than a few potential compromises to be made regarding the coliseum.

it’s also my guess that there are still more than a few potential compromises to be made regarding the coliseum.

unfortunately it’s also my guess that none of them will be made because there is no willingness to even pursue them and we will all be poorer for it.
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What do you have in mind for the Coliseum, Ken? From the outside looking in, I can see why it would likely be much more expensive to renovate a purpose-built WHL arena to use for something else vs. building new from a blank slate. If those costs the COE referenced are a good estimate, then I am unsure which developers would want to foot the reno bill.
 
^^^^ Hockey reno as was discussed a couple of years back would be expensive ($250MM); other uses not so much -- less structural floor system, no ice-making infrastructure, no need to repurpose the common areas (public realm, restrooms etc.). It could be built out much cheaper than starting from scratch with a new building and save the cost of demolition.
 
Avenuer said:
What do you have in mind for the Coliseum, Ken? From the outside looking in, I can see why it would likely be much more expensive to renovate a purpose-built WHL arena to use for something else vs. building new from a blank slate. If those costs the COE referenced are a good estimate, then I am unsure which developers would want to foot the reno bill.
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"RE: REQUEST FOR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST (RFEOI) NO. 932733

Edmonton’s Exhibition Lands Transformation

Please accept this letter as confirmation of our interest in working with the City of Edmonton on the redevelopment of the Exhibition Lands.

PRIMAVERA Development Group Inc. (PRIMAVERA) was established in 2016 to engage in the development of high value added commercial real estate projects and to provide strategic commercial real estate development consulting services and representation to a select group of local, national and international clients in both the private and public sectors. All PRIMAVERA projects are selected with the twin objectives of undertaking successful projects and enhancing our reputation for doing the right things for the right reasons.

PRIMAVERA’s role would be handled personally by Kenneth L. Cantor, PRIMAVERA’s President and Owner. A copy of Ken’s CV is attached hereto as Schedule “A”. Ken’s extensive background in the commercial real estate development industry has included the successful delivery of a wide range of large and intricate projects with multiple stakeholders including both greenfield and brownfield projects. The most common theme amongst those projects has been his ability to assemble and manage the large and diverse teams necessary for their successful delivery.

PRIMAVERA believes Edmonton’s Exhibition Lands have the potential to be an extremely successful real estate development project. We also believe they can be much more than just a successful real estate development project. The Exhibition Lands have the potential to be a good neighbor to three distinct adjacent communities by providing sensitive transitions, amenities and employment. They also have the potential to be a regional economic driver anchoring and hosting a range of diverse business and industry clusters.

Each of the eight Guiding Principles outlined in the RFEOI was embedded in our development philosophy and approach to the Exhibition Lands’ transformation as we progressed from conceptual design charrettes through master planning for the entire site; building and design precedent image selection; construction feasibility analysis; precedent legal and financial delivery models etc. We believe one of the most exciting possible opportunities is the potential of connecting and integrating EXPO Hall with the Coliseum. At a high level, this would create a single site out of what is now effectively two completely separate parcels. Operationally, the proposed uses for these spaces would complement and work with existing City and private sector facilities. Furthermore, it is PRIMAVERA’s understanding that this would allow the City to acquire needed facilities previously recommended in other reports at a substantial discount. None of the spaces would compete with existing facilities nor would any of the proposed uses contravene the intent of City agreements with other parties.

The lands east and north of the Coliseum would be redeveloped with hotel and fine grain retail and service uses providing neighborhood amenities as well as sensitive transitions. Those plans would also allow the potential “decoupling” of Wayne Gretzky Drive northbound and southbound as part of the Yellowhead Trail upgrade implementation. This would convert existing road alignments along with underutilized commercial and industrial sites north of 118th Avenue into additional contiguous and higher property tax-paying uses than they currently support.

EXPO Hall would be retained with some reconfiguration including bridge connections to the Coliseum incorporating additional hotel, and concourse retail and meeting spaces. The race track would make way for office and mixed-use developments with shared loading and transition spaces. The west end of this space would be kept free of building development and be reserved for festival and outdoor activities that would also be attractive for events looking to showcase big equipment (anything from helicopters to construction equipment to farm combines). This would present the site through open and inviting view corridors as an active destination to those on the west side of the LRT alignment as well as those riding the LRT. This space would incorporate overflow parking on an as-needed basis as well as being able to host events like Klondike days which in turn would allow for higher profile/higher density redevelopment of the east end of that portion of the lands adjacent to Wayne Gretzky Drive. From there moving further south, development would transition from mixed use spaces to purely residential with a range of heights and product type as the redevelopment transitions in scale to Borden Park.

While a comprehensive development plan like this may be the most ambitious concept for the Exhibition Lands, when broken down to individual components, there is current demand for all of them and the fact they can be complementary and sensitive to each other should result in a shorter development time-frame than attempting to redevelop the site as entirely commercial or entirely residential. This approach is also the most environmentally as well as financially sustainable alternative. It maximizes the incorporation of existing structures and site servicing rather than spending tens of millions of dollars demolishing buildings that still have considerable usable life simply to convert them to vacant land. This is reinforced with neither the Exhibition Lands nor the City of Edmonton having any shortage of vacant underutilized land already without having to create even more. Furthermore, it is PRIMAVERA’s belief that the Exhibition Lands in general and the Coliseum in particular represent unique opportunities with attributes and potential that would - if leveraged and not demolished – allow the site to be developed without competing directly with other large municipal and private sector development in the City of Edmonton. Integrated properly, the appropriate repurposing of existing structures and servicing would retain and reinforce positive individual and collective memories and attachments that would add social capital to the overall redevelopment.

PRIMAVERA is aware of several other parties interested in repurposing the Coliseum either as part of the overall transformation of the Exhibition Lands or in repurposing the Coliseum on a “stand-alone” basis independent of development activities elsewhere on the lands. Having already met with some of the principals and other stakeholders involved in those concepts, we would like to confirm that we would be pleased to work with them as well to integrate some of those components within the overall master development concepts outlined herein.

PRIMAVERA has a full development team interested in pursuing this opportunity that includes a design team led by a past president of the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada and one of the 6th largest contractors in North America along with the legal and management expertise to undertake project delivery in both traditional and non-traditional methods. We would be pleased to meet with the City to discuss some of these options as well as the “next steps” going forward noting that (a) the detailed information that we have assembled and developed to date is not included in this RFEOI Submission as ownership of the Intellectual Property it incorporates and relies on is not available for transfer to the City and (b) if discussing any of the previously mentioned detailed planning; building and design details; construction feasibility analysis; potential precedent legal and financial delivery models etc. at this time would, in the City’s opinion, make them part of the submission, discussions at that level would have to be postponed until such time as the City is in a position to respect those ownership rights.

This submission is made in accordance with the originally issued RFEOI documents and the subsequently issued Addendum Number 1 and does not rely on any oral information provided by the City or its representatives and PRIMAVERA represents and warrants that there is no conflict of interest under any of the definitions thereof as outlined in Section 11 of the RFEOI.

Should you have any questions or require and clarification regarding any of the above, please do not hesitate to contact us at your convenience.

Yours very truly,

PRIMAVERA Development Group

Kenneth L. Cantor, President

Honorary Member, Alberta Association of Architects"

emphasis in the third to last paragraph has been added for clarity.
 
Firstly i wish you all the best with this!

From my very quickly perusal- which i will review later on tonight again- the attempt is to establish a small town within a paradigm of the city. If so, it is a fantastic idea! As our city spreads out, this has to be the approach as it reduces so much more carbon emission footprints through encouraging and providing alternative transportation such as walking, bicycling, or other green movement options. As well, according to how I understood it, WG Drive will in essence have structures and podiums elongated abutted next to it?
 
thanks for your best wishes but it's a proposal the city didn't want at the table...

some of the components - but not the coliseum and the integrated pieces it would have anchored along with expo hall on the south side of 118 avenue - have been incorporated in the city's plans (ie. getting rid of the twinning of wayne gretzky drive and re-integrating that silly median strip into the redevelopment but the two overall visions are quite different. for me, it's the loss of the coliseum which is the biggest lost opportunity but it will simply join a host of other structures from edmonton's past that were prematurely deemed not worth saving.

not to say there's anything wrong with any particular vision, it's just that their aspirations and potential for them were/are very different. as with most things, their ultimate success will be a reflection of the execution as much as the vision.
 
As ctzn-Ed on C2E, we both have mutually agreed their incompetency regarding "future vissions".


All I can encourage is keep on envissioning it as we know how long the true progressing will take. I'll wager, at minimum, it will be 50 years before anything is developed; and, most likely as they always do, lets put a park there and 1/2 *** finished like all the other supposedly parks such as LMK.

I would love to see you continuing ruminating on it and perhaps, through that processing, refined what have been envissioned to evenly a more well dynamically concept; and, if you are willingly to ask suggestions on specificness on thoughts without letting the cat out of the bag, we're more than willing to...

Add on: Yes, i would like the arena salvaged! it could be a component of rec, training, housing, and commercialling all in one. On C2E, I stated, "it could be come a central olympic training centre for both winter and summer aspects while allowing fitness facitilies to the general mass". Imagine the symbiotical connections between local youths and olympians- they could be mentored from these athlete. It just an example without this facility being decommisioned.
 
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Northlands Coliseum can't be repurposed, city says in Exhibition Lands implementation plan targeting short-term demolition
Author of the article:Dustin Cook

Demolition of the Northlands Coliseum should be prioritized as one of the first steps in the Exhibition Lands redevelopment, the City of Edmonton says while planning to move forward with its removal.

Under the approved framework for the 81-hectare site, the land surrounding the long-time home of the Edmonton Oilers is set to be turned into a mixed-use transit-oriented development as part of the 30-year project. In November, council directed the city to look at reuse options for the Coliseum and the 30 other buildings on the Northlands site after a last-minute call from a community group to rethink closure. The group, including former Edmonton mayor Stephen Mandel, presented a plan to turn the Coliseum into a multi-sport recreation centre.

edmontonjournal.com

Northlands Coliseum can't be repurposed, city says in Exhibition Lands implementation plan targeting short-term demolition

Demolition of the Northlands Coliseum should be prioritized as one of the first steps in the Exhibition Lands redevelopment, the City of Edmonton says while plannin…
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It's time to put some pressure on OEG -- maybe a scare related to boycotting events at the Roger's Place arena complex and all of the buildings and services in the Ice District might carry some public weight. The coliseum is a resource that should not be demolished and there are scores of uses that would not impact "the gate" at the ice district. At a minimum now is the time that the City should turn the Coliseum and adjacent lands over to a group that would re-purpose the building and thereby extend its usefulness to the City -- we definitely need a new Mayor and Council. I am going to encourage Cheryll Watson and Kim Krushell to pick up this argument in their run for Mayor.
 
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