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jugs5050 said:
Heard that there was no Indigenous engagement done on this project at all. Not good.
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There is also always various concerns about building closer to the river (flood zones, wildlife corridors, etc... I like the project and feel it will benefit the area, but I wish it would be done all on the west side of the road.
 
ededed said:
I don't understand, why would that be expected ?
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They may be referencing the CBC article Maclac posted previously:

Veronica McRae has been a resident of Rossdale for around 20 years. As a Cree person in the neighbourhood, she said she would like to see more collaboration with diverse members of the community on the proposal.

"The river valley system was a transportation of trade for Indigenous people. The land around the river valley was for hunting and for communities to come together," she said. "The fact that there was no consideration of honouring that is upsetting."

McRae said she wants to see the city and the developers engaging with Indigenous elders and knowledge keepers on how to steer the project.

"There also needs to be a balance of honouring the past and seeking counsel to those that were here first and asking them what is the respectful way that we can use this land considering all the needs of the present day," she said.
 
northlands said:
They may be referencing the CBC article Maclac posted previously:

Veronica McRae has been a resident of Rossdale for around 20 years. As a Cree person in the neighbourhood, she said she would like to see more collaboration with diverse members of the community on the proposal.

"The river valley system was a transportation of trade for Indigenous people. The land around the river valley was for hunting and for communities to come together," she said. "The fact that there was no consideration of honouring that is upsetting."

McRae said she wants to see the city and the developers engaging with Indigenous elders and knowledge keepers on how to steer the project.

"There also needs to be a balance of honouring the past and seeking counsel to those that were here first and asking them what is the respectful way that we can use this land considering all the needs of the present day," she said.
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My god, if I roll my eyes any harder I'll have to see my optometrist.
 
jugs5050 said:
Heard that there was no Indigenous engagement done on this project at all. Not good.
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If this is true, you would think that after the Prairie Sky Gondola and the mess that project went through because of lacking engagement, there would be more consideration for engagement here?

Regardless of one's personal gripes or jadedness towards the topic, this is an area where it's important that engagement with indigenous residents and people happens for multiple reasons. It's just a fact. Let's not have another project go under cause of ignorance please.
 
We know there is sacred ground for the Papaschase Cree and other First Nations in the Rossdale Flats, but do we know what the geographic extent is? Does it encompass this area?

I get the cynicism. Many of the settler NIMBYs who live in the area and object to this project ostensibly due to the area's importance to Indigenous people wouldn't be so keen to apply #LandBack to their own homes.

But in any case, one would think after the whole Camsell deal, Five Oaks would have the sense to understand the importance of Indigenous consultation—even if from a purely self-interested, PR-oriented perspective.
 
Platinum107 said:
If this is true, you would think that after the Prairie Sky Gondola and the mess that project went through because of lacking engagement, there would be more consideration for engagement here?

Regardless of one's personal gripes or jadedness towards the topic, this is an area where it's important that engagement with indigenous residents and people happens for multiple reasons. It's just a fact. Let's not have another project go under cause of ignorance please.
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Just to clarify Platinum107, engagement in two streams (general public and indigenous) was to begin after council confirmed the leases of land for the future upon successful engagement. We had indigenous board member, indigenous engagement leaders, support from the Papaschase band, etc. it was not from lack of engagement. It was the city pulling the carpet from under our feet after we had been doing everything and more that the city wanted. Council expected us to do the full engagement at great cost without a land guarantee. The city at the end could have said, thank you after and run with our plan. No developer or group would ever go ahead with that as a moving target.
 
YEG imagineer said:
Just to clarify Platinum107, engagement in two streams (general public and indigenous) was to begin after council confirmed the leases of land for the future upon successful engagement. We had indigenous board member, indigenous engagement leaders, support from the Papaschase band, etc. it was not from lack of engagement. It was the city pulling the carpet from under our feet after we had been doing everything and more that the city wanted. Council expected us to do the full engagement at great cost without a land guarantee. The city at the end could have said, thank you after and run with our plan. No developer or group would ever go ahead with that as a moving target.
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Ahh I see, thank you for the clarification. That does sound pretty unreasonable on the city's part.
 
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