denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
It does to Doug. And I think he prefers STC. The question is why do Sheppard McCowan if that is the case?
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nfitz
Superstar
Who is they?
Why would Doug care over that kind of detail; he's pretty ignorant about Scarborough based on his critique of the lack of grade separation on Line 3.
Still, it's his MTO and Metrolinx that have designed Sheppard-McCowan with connections to the Line 4 subway and LRT; with neither at Scarborough Centre.
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afransen
Senior Member
Why would anyone need to do this? You can just have the Sheppard buses go to both Line 2 and Line 4 stations on Sheppard. What about the Durham BRT, where all those passengers will have to transfer to Line 2, ride one stop to Line 4 to continue a westward journey. STC makes sense as a large rapid transit interchange. There is literally nothing at Sheppard/McCowan.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Ford Government.
There is a an for the line to go to STC as you have noted, and McCowan LRT site is still fenced off. Anything can happen.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Again this is Ford/MX fault for dragging the subway out there. The station will need a terminal and probably the extension to morningside should be pursued at this point if that is the path they wanted.
But I digress as this is the Eglinton East LRT thread. They should modify or deepen the Bloor Danforth Tunnel to make this a through train, otherwise hard to justify this as an LRT IMO.
nfitz
Superstar
Are you suggesting that the 129, 130, 131, 169, 939, and other buses continue going all the way to Scarborough Centre, rather than just terminating at Sheppard East? I'd thinking that getting them off the bottleneck section of McCowan would benefit the service quality.
Ah, the Durham BRT ... which I don't even see listed in the Metrolinx quarterly reports anymore. I'd think they'd be better to stop that at UTSC, and then run express to Guildwood GO and/or Sheppard West via 401 HOV lanes. And I wonder how much the BRT and this LRT are reporting the same passengers on the segment from Line 2 to UTSC.
Ultimately I wouldn't be against a Line 4 extension from Sheppard East, under the 401 to Centennial College, the hospital at Scarbourgh/Ellesmere, and then UTSC. Though we are probably in next century fantasyland territory there.
Westey
Active Member
I can't speak for the poster, but I assumed it meant buses would go along Sheppard from McCowan (connect to Line 2) to Agincourt GO (connect to GO and maybe Sheppard Subway) or to Kennedy (if that's where the Sheppard Subway is).
Going an extra 2km to hit 2 major transit lines seems like a good deal.
Thaboss
Active Member
Shovels in the ground for the Brt is starting this summer in Ajax.
DMICS
New Member
I actually hope “Line 7” doesn’t happen.
asey20
Active Member
I would say it's time to consider building a BRT of similar spec to the one in Vaughan on this route with the option to convert it to an LRT/streetcar in the future. I believe it would be cheaper, more successful and we still don't have a proper BRT line in Toronto. This could be a great first.
afransen
Senior Member
Isn't the lesson from Line 6 that we should be very cautious about future suburban LRTs from a cost/value perspective? I'm all for a BRT eventually supplemented/replaced by some form of rapid transit. If it is just a supplement, we can justify wider stop spacing, higher speeds and lower construction cost (fewer stations).
jmi22
Active Member
Yep, the southern leg should just be an (elevated) extension of Line 5, and the northern corridor should be handled by a Line 4 extension, both meeting up at UTSC. The idea of a near circular $5 billion+ "milk-run" line that forces riders into linear transfers at either end makes no sense and it's a complete indictment of City Hall/staff that they have spent so long pushing for what is frankly ridiculous, particularity in it's current street-running configuration.
This obsession with Scarborough "getting it's own line" is just the most pathetic pork-barrel politicking, combined with some highly dubious myth that public transit being delivered via rail, even if it's slower, improves "equity". The current EELRT is honestly a gross violation of any serious transportation planning and desire to build infrastructure for the next future, while serving current travel patterns. Super-long-term a Line 4 extension to Port Union GO and a Line 5 extension to Malvern could work, but that's a topic for the latter half of the century.
Alignments are obviously very high level, but IMO these extensions - entirely grade separated - are the only sensible extensions, and I think the Provincial powers at be largely agree. MX building in a block at Kennedy station for a simple eastward extension was stupid, but honestly with the last 20 years of comical transpo planning from the municipal level I can't blame them for making the cheaper choice that saves them from every having to deal with the joke that would be the *current* EELRT.
asey20
Active Member
Yes, I would hope that would be the takeaway. A BRT system would be cheaper but also provide east Scarborough with rapid transit. Heck, you could even make it as a loop line following along the former Scarborough RT right of way. Combine that with the Durham BRT and you could have multiple BRT lines, similar to how different bus routes have slight variations denoted by letter, that would provide faster access to subway lines (line 2, 4), LRT lines (line 5), go trains, STC, etc. If they are serious about TSP implementation as well, I see no reason why a BRT line wouldn't run as fast (or faster) than the surface portion of line 5.
An LRT implementation should really only be considered if it is projected that the capacity will be needed sooner than later.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
I cannot believe people haven't considered branching yet.
One branch to Sheppard/Morningside/Neilson
One branch to Pickering Town Centre via Kingston Rd.
That would alleviate ridership concerns no?
The above is a suggestion only if they absolutely will not extend the tunnel at Kennedy for the Eglinton line.
One branch to Sheppard/Morningside/Neilson
One branch to Pickering Town Centre via Kingston Rd.
That would alleviate ridership concerns no?
The above is a suggestion only if they absolutely will not extend the tunnel at Kennedy for the Eglinton line.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Would it not make more sense to extend the Line to the Eglinton GO station and have people transfer to the LSE line to get to Pickering Town Centre?
EDIT: There's also the Durham BRT soon to be under construction, which will probably serve this purpose.