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Garneau2Go said:
I’m sure this has come up in other threads but there is a new law coming that prevents further collaboration between the federal government and the cities without the provincial government’s consent. I find it very troubling that the city is losing one of its last bits of independence, especially when our needs aren’t being met provincially.

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Bell: Danielle Smith punches back against Justin Trudeau — again

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith rolls out new law to fight Prime Minister Trudeau doling out cash to cities without her government's approval
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It's not the end of the world, Quebec also has a similar law, Quebec has it's own provincial police, it's own immigration policy. Working out good for them.
 
snowman123 said:
It's not the end of the world, Quebec also has a similar law, Quebec has it's own provincial police, it's own immigration policy. Working out good for them.
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Is it actually working out good for them? I've got family in Quebec and I wouldn't say everything is hunky dory. As chaotic as things are here right now, I'd much rather be in Alberta.
 
The federal government is probably a lot more lenient on them than they would be on Alberta they really don’t need our vote
 
Garneau2Go said:
I’m sure this has come up in other threads but there is a new law coming that prevents further collaboration between the federal government and the cities without the provincial government’s consent. I find it very troubling that the city is losing one of its last bits of independence, especially when our needs aren’t being met provincially.

calgaryherald.com

Bell: Danielle Smith punches back against Justin Trudeau — again

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith rolls out new law to fight Prime Minister Trudeau doling out cash to cities without her government's approval
calgaryherald.com calgaryherald.com
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"Smith says the Trudeau government bases its decisions on who has had the most success lobbying the prime minister and it leaves many places out in the cold."

Guess it takes one to know one huh
 
This isn't about Smith wanting to protect the province from undue federal influence as she says. Edmonton has already implemented the changes necessary to get the accelerator fund. This is about 2 things:

1 - Screwing over Edmonton
2 - Screwing over Trudeau (if the accelerator fund were at all successful, it would be a big political victory for the Liberals)

There is literally no other reason.

She accuses the feds of treating certain places unfairly for political reasons, and then goes and does the exact thing she claims the feds are doing.

This goes to show once again that the UCP is so petty they will intentionally tank their capital city out of spite. The next election can't come soon enough.
 
God part of me wishes we were much more aggressive in increasing Edmonton's political influence by more people/businesses and economic punching power. We'd be less susceptible to these stupid and genuinely hurtful decisions. I'd love it if the Feds (out of spite) just funneled a ton of money before this law even gets implemented.
 
erudyk_29 said:
She accuses the feds of treating certain places unfairly for political reasons, and then goes and does the exact thing she claims the feds are doing.
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Glenco said:
The federal government is probably a lot more lenient on them than they would be on Alberta they really don’t need our vote
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Sadly, for all the talk of the Federal Government doing nothing for Alberta and how we should be treated better, It’ll now codified by law that there will be a massive barrier to stop the Liberals from trying to remedy that.
 
husky said:
Is it actually working out good for them? I've got family in Quebec and I wouldn't say everything is hunky dory. As chaotic as things are here right now, I'd much rather be in Alberta.
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I've never been to Quebec ( would love to visit), but some people seem to point out that Quebec is better, rent controls, healthcare, day care etc.
Whenever AB proposes looking at things already implemented in other provinces then people here lose their minds, eg, pension plan, our own police force.
 
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snowman123 said:
I've never been to Quebec ( would love to visit), but some people seem to point out that Quebec is better, rent controls, healthcare, day care etc.
Whenever AB proposes looking at things already implemented in other provinces then people here lose their minds, eg, pension plan, our own police force.
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Quebec has a history mostly for language and culture reasons of doing their own thing and some of it like day care has been ahead of the curve.

The rest of Canada has, at least until recently has seemed to be more cohesive. But if you are just setting things up out of spite or vindictiveness and justifying it by saying someone else did it, that does not seem like a strong argument to me.
 
Quebec is by definition (as a categorical Nation in every sense of the word) a completely different political environment than Alberta. Quebec's political culture required them to set up distinct systems from the other provinces - civil law is probably the most obvious example. This is also expressed through language: provincial parks are "national parks", premiers are "prime ministers" and the legislature is a "National Assembly".

The geography, demography, history and political culture of Quebec within a diverse but largely English-speaking federation demands this. Barring that, I would suggest Quebecois people have another meaningful conversation about independence.

Attempting to position Alberta as an equivalent jurisdiction ignores the realities of nationhood. And we are fortunate enough to largely have a national identity (Canadian) that matches our political state.

If you wish to set up expensive nationalist infrastructure (I suggest looking into Quebec tax rates), then I hope you enjoy advocating for the higher taxes that Albertans loathe paying.
 
Tropical said:
Quebec is by definition (as a categorical Nation in every sense of the word) a completely different political environment than Alberta. Quebec's political culture required them to set up distinct systems from the other provinces - civil law is probably the most obvious example. This is also expressed through language: provincial parks are "national parks", premiers are "prime ministers" and the legislature is a "National Assembly".

The geography, demography, history and political culture of Quebec within a diverse but largely English-speaking federation demands this. Barring that, I would suggest Quebecois people have another meaningful conversation about independence.

Attempting to position Alberta as an equivalent jurisdiction ignores the realities of nationhood. And we are fortunate enough to largely have a national identity (Canadian) that matches our political state.

If you wish to set up expensive nationalist infrastructure (I suggest looking into Quebec tax rates), then I hope you enjoy advocating for the higher taxes that Albertans loathe paying.
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Yes, exactly. Understanding the context which includes culture, language law and history is important.

In addition, politically Quebec has more people than Alberta and has been more astute in spreading its votes around amongst various parties, whereas Alberta does not.

Lastly, I'd have to say while Quebec has generally been forceful in asserting itself, it has not generally been so to the point of being belligerent like the current Alberta government has. Constantly insulting and attacking other levels of government may play well politically locally, but is not helpful when you need or want to get something from them.
 
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