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nfitz said:
Why - we can't fill the current dome we have.

And surely key to such a project is good transit. Even the long term plan only projects streetcars down Leslie and Unwin.
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Bring in the NFL and it will fill..Im sorry to say but it will happen in our lifetime. Regarding a stadium and transit for this specific location.... private investment of 1/2-1 billion dollars into a stadium and the transit service and infrastructure will come..LRT (right-of-way), APM (automated people mover), Monorail, Busway/Transitway, or even those dreadfull Subways that Toronto is scared to build,.. whatever. Hey, with money and a plan a 6km run from Union Station cant be that difficult to figure out.
 
Automation Gallery said:
Bring in the NFL and it will fill..Im sorry to say but it will happen in our lifetime. Regarding a stadium and transit for this specific location.... private investment of 1/2-1 billion dollars into a stadium
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What is the private incentive to drop $500 million to $1 billion into your proposed 90,000 seat stadium? What would be producing the return on that investment to make it at all attractive?

Even if the NFL did come (which would presumably entail another $1 billion to get the franchise), how many dates are you figuring to get close to filling the stadium let alone make any kind of profit on the operation?

I presume your financial model doesn't expect any government largess to fund this project, either from municipal, provincial or federal levels?
 
Asterix said:
What is the private incentive to drop $500 million to $1 billion into your proposed 90,000 seat stadium? What would be producing the return on that investment to make it at all attractive?

Even if the NFL did come (which would presumably entail another $1 billion to get the franchise), how many dates are you figuring to get close to filling the stadium let alone make any kind of profit on the operation?

I presume your financial model doesn't expect any government largess to fund this project, either from municipal, provincial or federal levels?
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There is much more than we know regarding how money is sourced out for an NFL franchise... 1.5-2 billion bucks is the going rate for an NFL franchise and stadium, and i wouldnt be a bit surprised if there would not be a lineup here in Toronto to get one.
 
Automation Gallery said:
There is much more than we know regarding how money is sourced out for an NFL franchise... 1.5-2 billion bucks is the going rate for an NFL franchise and stadium, and i wouldnt be a bit surprised if there would not be a lineup here in Toronto to get one.
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Based on what though? How do the economics work? What is the return on the investment of that kind of cash?

If there'd be a lineup here in Toronto, how come this lineup hasn't existed in past talks about an NFL franchise?

Out of curiousity, how many current NFL stadiums built in the last say, 20 years didn't make use of extensive government funding, either through grants, low-cost loans or major tax breaks?

For example, here's the kind of public money that went into the Dallas stadium:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboys_Stadium

"To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[13][14] and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums."
 
Asterix said:
If there'd be a lineup here in Toronto, how come this lineup hasn't existed in past talks about an NFL franchise?

Out of curiousity, how many current NFL stadiums built in the last say, 20 years didn't make use of extensive government funding, either through grants, low-cost loans or major tax breaks?
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Thats because the NFL has never been that serious of giving Toronto a franchise, and yes thats what Toronto might have to do regarding funding, either through grants, low-cost loans or major tax breaks..we do it for other things that give us nothing back.

Anyways lets get back to the topic of a skating rink for this location, that most likely will be paid by government funding and us taxpayers.
 
Taken last weekend

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Automation Gallery said:
yes thats what Toronto might have to do regarding funding, either through grants, low-cost loans or major tax breaks..we do it for other things that give us nothing back.
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But the Fords said there would be no taxpayer money (other than the Feds who would apparently jump at the opportunity, despite the hockey-loving PM not being willing to chip in for a Quebec hockey arena).
 
Automation Gallery said:
Thats because the NFL has never been that serious of giving Toronto a franchise, and yes thats what Toronto might have to do regarding funding, either through grants, low-cost loans or major tax breaks..we do it for other things that give us nothing back.

Anyways lets get back to the topic of a skating rink for this location, that most likely will be paid by government funding and us taxpayers.
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Are you insane? I thought you wanted to stop the gravy train, not turn it into a title wave. Did you forget about Skydome that fast? Let's not repeat that fiasco again. Torontonians will not go for it.
 
Torontovibe said:
Are you insane? I thought you wanted to stop the gravy train, not turn it into a title wave. Did you forget about Skydome that fast? Let's not repeat that fiasco again. Torontonians will not go for it.
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Hey if you want to become a world class city, you have to spend money to make money..nothing comes for free. Even the new Toronto Aquarium will be built with some taxpayers money, also everything that Ryerson is building has taxpayers money.etc. etc.
By the way i wouldnt worry to much Torontovibe, whatever us taxpayers have to cough-up in cash to get an NFL team in Toronto is a drop in the bucket compared to the billions spent on the McGuinty e-Health mess, and lottery scandals.
 
Can someone find the demolition permit issued by the City?
 
This one is a no brainer.
It would be fast, cheaper than the other option for ice facilities and would preserve part of our urban heritage. It's not a Sydney Opera house but could be an interesting building.

Turn the channel into a row course, Dragon Boats, skulls in the warmer months. You could even run water skiing in there in the summer, it's wide enough.
In the winter freeze a spot for ice skating.

Toronto's first permanent urban zip line off the chimney stack.
That thing is 705 feet tall. Run a zip line from there to Queen street.

I like the building. The views will be great.
Put a few restaurants up on the roof. Maybe a few shops too. A little farmers market there too?
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Allow Developers to create some retail and residential opportunities to help fund the construction.
Probably more land there than we need for the rinks alone.
 
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