Nimbus
Active Member
Hmm, I was thinking that PBS could have definitely done a shift to the downtown core. However the family has never struck me as inner-city style types so a expansion of space near where they already are makes sense.
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Chowda7
Active Member
Better late than never but the Penn West Plaza +15 is now open.
O-tac
Active Member
The materials inside look dated. It feels like an airport terminal.
1875
Senior Member
little harsh for a random plus 15 . gets the job done.
lol. My wife saw the pic and said 'is that from the airport?' I think what makes it seem older is the thick pillars. The newer plus 15's have more glass and less beams and pillars.
Mountain Man
Senior Member
It looks ok, hope it's the last +15 built in the core! doubt it will be though, the sheeple love their +15s
Chowda7
Active Member
Ya agreed. But I am happier with the fact I don't need to look at the parkade ramp anymore on the exterior
heightjunkie
Active Member
what do you have against the +15 network? I rather like it, and it's unique among winter cities. Edmontonians certainly envy the crap out of it.
Rollerstud98
Active Member
Takes away from bodies on the streets, some people want to see more people on the sidewalks so that the downtown core feels more alive. I'd rather be out of the elements both summer and winter.
heightjunkie
Active Member
I think that the +15 network just acts as a secondary streetscape for the city. Most buildings downtown have retail options and public spaces on their +15 floors to accommodate this. It creates liveliness and community even in the dead of winter. I think it serves a wonderful complimentary role to the regular streetscape
If the city had have made new buildings put at least half of the retail on the street but still allowed the +15 I think it would have been fine. There are too many buildings full of retail but are completely lifeless on the outside. I do like to use it when it's cold or rainy.
UrbanWarrior
Senior Member
That is my concern with the +15 network as well.
Parkade extension at the Children's Hospital.
ahuch
Active Member
I figured this would happen eventually since the condition for getting these permits was to add that double turning lane and remove access to the first lights from NB Deerfoot access. The road design in that area is pretty terrible overall and the city let the developers get away with cheaping out, there was originally supposed to be a back road like 126 ave on the south side with higher emphasis on utilizing those for access to businesses, and the 4 way stop of doom would have been removed as well. Adding a bunch of additional traffic could get interesting, but maybe there are ways to change the timing to help with that?
heightjunkie
Active Member
Fair concerns... having active streetscapes around our buildings in the core is a great goal, but I think the "streetscape" and community that is built up in the +15 areas is pretty interesting on it's own as well. I could get behind a better balancing of retail spaces between ground floor/ +15 levels, but to outright pan the +15 network is foolish when the city exists in a sub 0 state for ~ 1/2 the year at least.