Coolibop
Active Member
I got curious and indeed allowed. The City of Pickering classifies those sections as MUP even though a very small part is just typical narrow sidewalk.
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Where that is done, it's great if there is some delineation between the two modalities -- smooth pavement for riding, for example, and traditional sidewalk for walking. This is done in the urban areas of a number of European cities, and you hear about it if you inadvertently walk on the cycling portion!
Admiral Beez
Superstar
If you kill or injure someone. I expect you to be judged.
Woman dies after being struck by bike on sidewalk
What's this? I thought it was illegal to ride an adult-sized bike on a Toronto sidewalk. This year I've noticed it worse than ever and I've almost been hit by numerous bikes while walking. Maybe this incident will help spur some change. --- Woman, 56, dies after being struck by bike on...
nfitz
Superstar
Yeah, there's a death about every quarter-century or so,If you kill or injure someone. I expect you to be judged.
zWoman dies after being struck by bike on sidewalk
What's this? I thought it was illegal to ride an adult-sized bike on a Toronto sidewalk. This year I've noticed it worse than ever and I've almost been hit by numerous bikes while walking. Maybe this incident will help spur some change. --- Woman, 56, dies after being struck by bike on...urbantoronto.ca
Now do cars on sidewalks.
facepalming_brooklynite
Active Member
Isn't it legal in Ontario to kill a pedestrian on the sidewalk, if that's the only way to get around a garbage truck?
At least that's the impression I get from drivers in Roncesvalles.
81-717
Active Member
How many pedestrians are killed by cyclists and how many cyclists are (would be) killed by cars? I don't have the numbers at hand, but I bet one of them is much higher than the other.If you kill or injure someone. I expect you to be judged.
Woman dies after being struck by bike on sidewalk
What's this? I thought it was illegal to ride an adult-sized bike on a Toronto sidewalk. This year I've noticed it worse than ever and I've almost been hit by numerous bikes while walking. Maybe this incident will help spur some change. --- Woman, 56, dies after being struck by bike on...
I was gonna link a video from NYC of not one but several cars in a row going on the sidewalk to bypass some kind of road blockage, but of course the one time you're actually trying to find that one post is when it's nowhere to be found.
Northern Light
Superstar
The Star out w/more info on what the latest Cordon Count (Toronto Transportation Survey) has to say about how people commute (including cycling numbers)
www.thestar.com
Nothing really new here..........but (from the above)
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In her testimony at a provincial committee on this issue, City Director of Transportation Planning, Design and Management Jacqueline Hayward said:
~10%
Lastly, it appears we will get to pour over the underlying data soon:
The number of cyclists commuting in Toronto is triple what Doug Ford claims, latest transportation study reveals
Unreleased $6.2-million study obtained by the Star reveals more Torontonians cycle than Ford has claimed in his crusade to restrict bike lanes.
www.thestar.com
Nothing really new here..........but (from the above)
Also
In her testimony at a provincial committee on this issue, City Director of Transportation Planning, Design and Management Jacqueline Hayward said:
~10%
Lastly, it appears we will get to pour over the underlying data soon:
TheGrimSweeper
New Member
These numbers are still only people specifically commuting though.
It's not counting the millions of bike trips done to go to a cafe, friends place, drop kids off at school, get groceries, go to a park etc....
It would be like only counting cars who specifically drive to the office and back.
It's not counting the millions of bike trips done to go to a cafe, friends place, drop kids off at school, get groceries, go to a park etc....
It would be like only counting cars who specifically drive to the office and back.
Northern Light
Superstar
Those additional numbers are available in the article to which I linked. I can't copy/paste the whole thing.
rdaner
Senior Member
As a resident and worker downtown I can say that the number of non-car vehicles has exploded over the last 5 years and these aren’t going away with a reduction of bike lanes, they will simply mix with traffic. We are not just talking about commuters on bikes but food delivery people as well as scooters.
This move by Ford is just a last ditch attempt to halt a trend that is accelerating across the region and I await the law-suits and challenges to come flooding in. That and the first death of a cyclist from a well-connected suburban family.
We will see how businesses react to this.
This move by Ford is just a last ditch attempt to halt a trend that is accelerating across the region and I await the law-suits and challenges to come flooding in. That and the first death of a cyclist from a well-connected suburban family.
We will see how businesses react to this.
christiesplits
Senior Member
A Critical Mass event has been organized for this Friday, starting at High Park. Via TheBikingLawyer on X.
generalcanada
Senior Member
Which brings up an interesting point, What is the end goal? We complain about traffic now? what about in 15 years time when theres millions more who live in Toronto.
nfitz
Superstar
I was referring to the surprisingly high death toll in Toronto of cars hitting pedestrians on sidewalks. Despite being a rare site compared to bikes.
81-717
Active Member
I wasn't disputing that, my comment was in response to Admiral on the subject of having to choose between pedestrians being hit by cyclists (if cyclists take the sidewalk) vs. cyclists being hit by cars (if cyclists share the road with cars).
81-717
Active Member
0/10 would not recommend. Tonight I was biking up Don Mills (a wide busy stroad with no bike lanes) hugging the curb at normal biking speed, and had the misfortune of encountering an idiot asshole driver who decided to harass me by deliberately tailgating me while repeatedly honking at me, despite nothing stopping them from passing me in the same lane or changing lanes. As soon as I realized they were honking at me, and caught a glimpse of them riding on my ass through the corner of my eye, I started frantically looking for the nearest opening to hop onto the sidewalk (for all I know they wouldn't think twice about deliberately running me over) in order to be able to confront them from a safer position (if the situation escalated), but unfortunately there was none. Luckily this didn't go on for long. And damn right I took the (99.9% empty) sidewalk down Don Mills for most (but not all) of the way back home, until I reached Eglinton and its bike lane, as I was in no mood to deal with the same BS twice in 1 day.
I've seen roads in less bikeable condition than most sidewalks (northbound Dawes being one of them). "Bump bump bump" doesn't even begin to describe it. At least the sidewalk bump has a nice rhythmic feel to it, rather than that of a never-ending pothole.