Dan416
Senior Member
I'm not much of a cyclist, but I totally agree that bikes shouldn't have to stop at a stop sign if it's safe for them to go through. On a bike it's just too much effort to get back up to speed.
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I'm not much of a cyclist, but I totally agree that bikes shouldn't have to stop at a stop sign if it's safe for them to go through. On a bike it's just too much effort to get back up to speed.
Why would they demand that ... how often do you see a car stop at a stop sign; many don't even stop for a red light these days if they are turning.Non-bicyclists demand ALL must stop at stop signs. But, once anyone rides bicycles more than a handful of times, they'll understand that it is impossible.
Non-bicyclists demand ALL must stop at stop signs. But, once anyone rides bicycles more than a handful of times, they'll understand that it is impossible.
That said, I've had a letter carrier go through a red eastbound on Queen at Ossington who clipped me (I was crossing Queen) a few years ago. Guy took a pretty solid tumble trying to avoid me but I would have been in serious pain if he didn't. I figure he was 180lbs and travelling at about 35 km/h. I can tell you my grandmother would have been severely injured if she was in my place just from getting clipped.
If rolling through a stop is stretched to going through without slowing down then I'll have issues.
All road laws should be applied equally to all "vehicles" that are on the road.
STOP signs aren't just there to protect the pedestrians, but also to protect cyclists themselves.
All road laws should be applied equally to all "vehicles" that are on the road.
STOP signs aren't just there to protect the pedestrians, but also to protect cyclists themselves.
My experience as a lifelong pedestrian is that cyclists consider themselves "vehicular" when it suits them and "pedestrian" when it suits them. The upshot is that they want to claim all the rights and none of the responsibilities.
Well, at scramble crossings, when the message says "walk light on for all crossings" cyclists zoom on through. They aren't walking. I've almost been hit a number of times.
As pedestrian most "close calls" have been with bikes.
I simply cannot agree with the "some cyclists break the rules, so we shouldn't make things better for the cyclists which follow the rules" philosophy. Applied to cars (lets not widen a road because I see people parking in no parking zones) or pedestrians (lets not improve the sidewalk because I see people jaywalk) it's clear how absurd this line of thought is.