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I get the need to be responsible with taxpayers money and that a 'shared investment model' needs to be part of this, but I believe that this is partly due to the loss of photo radar funds as well.

Our urban environment and climate are challenging enough and while these can be revenue producing and thereby should justify some fee structure, it's only trying to offset the ~30% loss of business post COVID due to WFH and other impacts.
 
IanO said:
I get the need to be responsible with taxpayers money and that a 'shared investment model' needs to be part of this, but I believe that this is partly due to the loss of photo radar funds as well.

Our urban environment and climate are challenging enough and while these can be revenue producing and thereby should justify some fee structure, it's only trying to offset the ~30% loss of business post COVID due to WFH and other impacts.
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Ian, I mean this politely because I'm a fan of Westrich's business in the core, but you guys are also rightfully the beneficiaries of COE's programs for Central housing. Why shouldn't central businesses receive the same help?
 
I'm 100% behind zero patio fees and am often found on a Downtown/Central patio and have spoken with a few of the folks interviewed about a different pathway forward. BUT, I get the need to find some sort of new formula given the changes to revenue, it's just that this plan is punitive and needs to be revisited to find something fair for the proprietors. There needs to be a better middle ground for all.
 
Everyone, including the City, has revenue issues and cost control challenges, but for me it is about the how, where and why that frustrates me when you look at the overall benefit and ancillary benefits to a more patio-friendly city.

It's important to be mindful that these fees were covered/offset by the City for a number of years and so reinstating them will always be a challenge and trigger point, but how do we find ways to look at the bigger picture and broader impact of our decisions.
 
It was certainly fine for 2 hungry folks and would be suitable for 3 wanting enough for a snack, but not full dinner amount.

I would even say that 4 just wanting a small bite would be ok.
 
Sunterra Cellar has shut its doors in Commerce Place.

Note: the person who put up the CLOSED signs needs to invest in a spellchecker.

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