lordmandeep
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Brown people and Asians do not face as much racism as black people do.
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You think race has nothing to do with it? From what I see, black people have to endure more racism than everyone else, and surely that makes it harder for them to find jobs.
I'm an English-born immigrant who came here in the 1970s in what can be regarded as a mass of emigration from the UK from the post-war period up to about the mid-1970s. I have never, ever heard of ethnic English gangs or crime syndicates coming out of this post-war immigrant boom from the UK. Did we have gangs of sons of the war brides fighting for turf? I must have missed that one.Exactly. Someone is very oblivious to Canadian history. Back then they probably had people saying the same stuff he's saying now about Caribbean immigrants. And let's be realistic here - it's kind of naive to think that today's Italian, Jewish, etc. communities don't produce their own share of criminals. Every single group does.
I'm an English-born immigrant who came here in the 1970s in what can be regarded as a mass of emigration from the UK from the post-war period up to about the mid-1970s. I have never, ever heard of ethnic English gangs or crime syndicates coming out of this post-war immigrant boom from the UK. Did we have gangs of sons of the war brides fighting for turf? I must have missed that one.
Now, in England, they certainly have a youth crime issue, but in Canada, I'd say one of our least troublesome immigrant groups have to be the English, unless you ask the First Nations or French Canadians of course - they'll say they should have topped the first Englishman to hit the beach in the 1500s. But I'm referring to the emigration of English folks to Canada from 1945 to the mid-1970s.
I agree, the comparison doesn't make sense. However you're the one that said...I'd also say it's kind of silly to compare the experiences of Caribbean and English immigrants, the latter of which were coming into a country which their countrymen controlled for centuries and which only gained complete legislative independence from Britain in 1982.
And it's my belief that people of my background, i.e. English, do not, especially in reference to any sort of closed or solo enthic gangs.And let's be realistic here - it's kind of naive to think that today's Italian, Jewish, etc. communities don't produce their own share of criminals. Every single group does..
You think race has nothing to do with it? From what I see, black people have to endure more racism than everyone else, and surely that makes it harder for them to find jobs.
There was a time not too distant where Jews couldn't get a fair shake at employment. Heck I've read that Timothy Eaton wouldn't even hire Catholics, let alone Jews. So, what did the poor Jewish immigrants do to get by, well they built their own businesses selling to their community. Canada's original poorer Chinese and Asian immigrant communities often started out the same way, selling to each other.You think race has nothing to do with it? From what I see, black people have to endure more racism than everyone else, and surely that makes it harder for them to find jobs.
Rubbish. That's akin to saying that anyone born or raised in Canada regardless of background should be referred to as belonging to Canada's First Nations or Aborigional communities (who themselves came to North America from Asia thousands of years before the rest of us).The term "English" does not refer exclusively to "the descendents of the mix of Anglo-Saxons, Romano-Britains, the Danish-Vikings and Normans" that Admiral Beez claims it does.
It refers to anyone who grows up south of Scotland and east of Wales and who survives despite eating all that dreadful food - no matter what their race, religion or creed.
I agree, the comparison doesn't make sense. However you're the one that said... And it's my belief that people of my background, i.e. English, do not, especially in reference to any sort of closed or solo enthic gangs.
And the socio-economic factors are affected by, among other things, race.
I never said that. What I said is that the post-war immigrant boom from England has not created many (or any I can recall) gangs defined by their English-heritage.You honestly think that the English produce no criminals? I can guarantee you that there are criminals in this country of English descent.
I already said in the posts above that in Britain gangs of all backgrounds are troublesome.As for gangs, England doesn't seem to be free of them either:
I 100% agree. I've never said any one race produces more criminals.In any case, no one race produces more criminals than another. Race has nothing to do with it. Someone from any ethnicity can engage in criminal activity; the real issues are socio-economic.
That's because of discrimination. No one race is prone to be subject to adverse socio-economic factors more than another. It has no direct connection with race.