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How bad is it that the Conservatives haven't talked about Go Expansion even with an election?
I think they benefit from parading “GO 2.0” rather than the existing GO Expansion, since it sounds much more like a revolutionary change. It may not have any actual bearing on the status of GO Exp. But I agree that I’d like to hear more about it regardless.
 
On 20-Jan-2025, AECON and FCC both announced they'd "reached commercial close on a progressive design-build transit project" for the core GO Expansion project. However, because there's a provincial election in progress, there's been no statement about project schedule or the scope of what's included in the agreement. Previously that scope included electrification to Barry, Bramalea, Burlington, Unionville, & Oshawa.

Does this not exemplify exactly what I am talking about? ML excels at signing contracts and are terminally reaching a "close on a progressive design-build transit project". The long-suffering Toronto commuters don't give a damn about yet another signing and photo-op and just want to be able to ride the transit they keep paying for.

So by this can I assume that electrification is going to be done on Metrolinx time and hence will "soon" start construction which in reality means it will be years before a pole has even been put in the ground?
 
So by this can I assume that electrification is going to be done on Metrolinx time and hence will "soon" start construction which in reality means it will be years before a pole has even been put in the ground?

Well for starters electrification isn't ML's job, it's Onxpress's... and for whatever reason Onxpress isn't here yet. So likely no procurement yet, and possibly not even a final design. Even when Onxpress is on hand, it may not be the first thing that they mobilize towards They may have a lot of processes and procedures to get working first, before tackling this major project..

The other obstacle is that none of the candidate lines are finished prerequisite construction yet. Lakeshore East is a year, maybe two, from track being in position to begin stringing catenary. Possibly more to keep clear of Ontario Line construction. Stouffville needs the creek bridge finished. Weston needs the fourth track laid. Barrie needs its double tracking and station construction completed. LSE needs Exhibition finished and similar clearance from Ontario Line work. USRC needs the south platforms completed, and then maybe the shift in the existing platform and track arrangement.

Possibly the wires will need to wait until station construction or other tasks - particularly those requiring crane operation - has completed (Park Lawn, Danforth, Woodbine, Bloor, Maple, King City, Aurora......).

I'm as eager as anyone to see this happen, but it's a complex task (which is possibly why ML is happy to contract it to Onxpress) and is not going to happen quickly.

- Paul
 
^^^^ This is akin to building a 200 km freeway and not paving any of it until all the overpasses are built.

Yes, they will have to work around projects that are still under construction but that still leaves 150km of track and overpass areas that are completed. Why can't they be electrifying those sections now? Is it so much to ask for a huge consortium to do 2 things at once? This is just a stalling tactic to appease political masters but is an insult to the long suffering commuters of Toronto. The rest of the planet can do it so what's Toronto's excuse?
 
Yes, they will have to work around projects that are still under construction but that still leaves 150km of track and overpass areas that are completed. Why can't they be electrifying those sections now? Is it so much to ask for a huge consortium to do 2 things at once? This is just a stalling tactic to appease political masters but is an insult to the long suffering commuters of Toronto. The rest of the planet can do it so what's Toronto's excuse?
They are only just starting work - you don't start with electrification.

Especally as electrification does nothing until an entire line is complete. It's the last thing that should happen.

Adding extra tracks here and there does allow for the incremental service increases that have already started with the earlier contracts, and the early works projects.

Key work would be building and expanding the necessary grade seperations. And moving stations that are in the way - such as the main GO Danforth building, that's in the way of the 4th track.
 
And moving stations that are in the way
Unfortunately Doug Ford insists on new station building being at least part-funded by developers (or the City of Toronto) with his Transit Oriented Communities program. This means that key stations are stalled by financial pressures on the developers. For example Woodbine, which is needed for the 401/409 tunnels to be commissioned, so the Weston Subdivision has 4 tracks from Union to the Pearson airport junction.
 
Unfortunately Doug Ford insists on new station building being at least part-funded by developers (or the City of Toronto) with his Transit Oriented Communities program. This means that key stations are stalled by financial pressures on the developers. For example Woodbine, which is needed for the 401/409 tunnels to be commissioned, so the Weston Subdivision has 4 tracks from Union to the Pearson airport junction.
I don't believe that's correct for station upgrades for On-Corridor. There's been nothing like that at other stations that are being rebuilt - such as Milliken. I think perhaps you are thinking of new stations, not modifications of existing stations.
 
On 20-Jan-2025, AECON and FCC both announced they'd "reached commercial close on a progressive design-build transit project" for the core GO Expansion project. However, because there's a provincial election in progress, there's been no statement about project schedule or the scope of what's included in the agreement. Previously that scope included electrification to Barry, Bramalea, Burlington, Unionville, & Oshawa.

Isn't this for the SSE SRS contract? They specifically say it's a PDB target-price, which SSE SRS is, and the value of each partner's share is $2.8B, which seems in line with the total $6B budget target for SSE. FCC and Aecon are the construction partners in that, whereas OnCorr has a bunch of other participants in the consortia and is worth well north of $10 billion.
 
Isn't this for the SSE SRS contract? They specifically say it's a PDB target-price, which SSE SRS is, and the value of each partner's share is $2.8B, which seems in line with the total $6B budget target for SSE. FCC and Aecon are the construction partners in that, whereas OnCorr has a bunch of other participants in the consortia and is worth well north of $10 billion.
You appear to be correct - and it looks like the IO SSE SRS page has been updated to show a January 28, 2025 award.
 
^^^^ This is akin to building a 200 km freeway and not paving any of it until all the overpasses are built.

Yes, they will have to work around projects that are still under construction but that still leaves 150km of track and overpass areas that are completed. Why can't they be electrifying those sections now? Is it so much to ask for a huge consortium to do 2 things at once? This is just a stalling tactic to appease political masters but is an insult to the long suffering commuters of Toronto. The rest of the planet can do it so what's Toronto's excuse?
What's the point of stringing up wires if the tracks underneath them are going to get moved?

You seem to be advocating for doing three times the work necessary.

Dan
 
Unfortunately Doug Ford insists on new station building being at least part-funded by developers (or the City of Toronto) with his Transit Oriented Communities program. This means that key stations are stalled by financial pressures on the developers. For example Woodbine, which is needed for the 401/409 tunnels to be commissioned, so the Weston Subdivision has 4 tracks from Union to the Pearson airport junction.
The tunnels that have been completed for almost ten years and never used.
 
Assuming that the answer is "NO" -- but is there anything actually documenting the details / map of this recent GO 2.0 announcement beyond this screenshot from the Ontario Conservative's Press Release..??

The word "Potential" is doing a lot of work here, right..??

Let me know, Thx!

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Assuming that the answer is "NO" -- but is there anything actually documenting the details / map of this recent GO 2.0 announcement beyond this screenshot from the Ontario Conservative's Press Release..??

No. The 2041 plan (aka Big Move version 2 published in 2018) would be the most likely predecessor but there are many differences between it and GO 2.0. Bolton isn't on it, Midtown Line isn't on it, Richmond Hill electrified 2-way all-day is there but not the straightening.

That said, even if we get all EAs and design/engineering completed soon I doubt if we have the construction capacity to complete any of those additions by 2041, especially if Milton is still a priority project after current GO Expansoin plans start construction.

Milton and Kitchener (fully independent of CN) were both there with a fairly high priority.
 
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With new crayon maps out recently for GO 2.0 and Alto, is it possible there's some behind the scenes coordination on new corridor infrastructure required for both projects along the old CPR Leaside spur (over Brickworks) and CPR Havelock? Could they share trackage for short periods within the inner core?
 

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