[junctionist]

go train running at subway frequency feels so weird lol

I know people in Burlington who essentially use the GO train as a subway equivalent at rush hour already. The Lakeshore line trains run approximately every 15 minutes. They take a Burlington city bus to the GO station at one end of the city, hop on a GO train and travel across the city in a few minutes (without even needing to check the train schedule), and then take a bus from the GO station to their destination.

It's as if Burlington already has a subway line at rush hour. The effects of frequent all-day bi-directional GO service are actually quite impressive in terms of reducing car reliance all across the region and bringing rapid transit to more places.

 

[egotrippin]

To that effect I use GO to get from Scarborough to downtown when I go to things like concerts after work. It's wayyy faster than the TTC if you're close to the Lakeshore East line and it's almost as cheap from Scarborough station ($3.70 one-way). Very convenient.

 

[urbancog]

I love this quote from the Passenger Movement Modelling Plan:
"It is important to note that the Train Service Plan which dictates the train schedule, train placement and passenger demand, is still in a conceptual form and is likely subject to change as the ONxpress design phases advance. It is the best indication available to USEP but creates a challenge for a project that is relying on conceptual design inputs to govern a design that has already initiated construction works."

Fortunately, "The USEP is the first major project in Canada to be procured as an alliance contract. The model was chosen as it is addresses risk more constructively and collaboratively, provides greater transparency and co-operative decision-making".

 

[Bojaxs]

This article & video is from 2016. Did ML figure out a work around for this issue?

Union Station renovation poses problems for new electric trains - Toronto | Globalnews.ca

Plans involving a new glass ceiling for GO train platforms at Union Station didn't account for a change from diesel to electric trains.

globalnews.ca

 

[reinventingthewheel]

This article & video is from 2016. Did ML figure out a work around for this issue?

Union Station renovation poses problems for new electric trains - Toronto | Globalnews.ca

Plans involving a new glass ceiling for GO train platforms at Union Station didn't account for a change from diesel to electric trains.

globalnews.ca

The context of this project application do not appear to address the shed and its existing platforms. The new platforms on the south will include canopies and no roof over tracks. Documents show overhead catenary to be installed on top of platform canopies. Nothing to address the platforms in the shed yet, I would imagine these southmost tracks will be the first electrified and used for the Lakeshore line(s).

See cross section of new south platforms:


The OCS is not shown in this render but you can see where the walls of the shed will be trimmed:

 

[urbancog]

I believe they're going to adopted "Rigid Overhead Conductor" within the legacy shed. instead of catenary-supported conductor.

 

[Willybru21]

The 3D models they created of Union’s future layout has a normal catenary pole in it:

 

[urbancog]

GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx

Good Good Good

urbantoronto.ca

You're likely right that in the high-roof area poles and catenary will be needed but under there isn't room under the historic shed sections.

 

[smallspy]

Wouldn't MX also have to order more locomotives to accommodate all these extra, shorter trains?

And more cab cars, too.

Dan

 

[Deadpool X]

If GO trains are going to be mostly 4-5 cars long and unlikely to be 12 cars long, then why is Metrolinx spending money on upgrading the entire length of the stations?

 

[chrisw]

If GO trains are going to be mostly 4-5 cars long and unlikely to be 12 cars long, then why is Metrolinx spending money on upgrading the entire length of the stations?

Some tracks are going to have a West and East designation.

EDIT: Well, looks like they're probably all still long enough for 12 cars? I don't think it's that expensive? The platforms also taper off at the end.
Futureproofing. By 2056 almost all of the trains will be 8 cars long. And they'll eventually need 12 car trains.

There's also trains on both sides of some platforms, by having a long platform the trains can be offset from each other.
More room to place exits on a longer platform, and relief from an overcrowded platform. Emergency evacuations.

How are my guesses?

 

[Deadpool X]

I am not referring to Union but other stations that won't have double berthing.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

I believe they're going to adopted "Rigid Overhead Conductor" within the legacy shed. instead of catenary-supported conductor.
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Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but it looks like the same style of rigid overhead conductors are used on the Finch LRT. I just noticed in this photo from the new CLC, could very well be the same in other locations on Eglinton though I haven’t taken notice.

Looking north at Finch and Hwy 27:

 

[drum118]

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but it looks like the same style of rigid overhead conductors are used on the Finch LRT. I just noticed in this photo from the new CLC, could very well be the same in other locations on Eglinton though I haven’t taken notice.

Looking north at Finch and Hwy 27:
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The whole area on Hwy 27 from the Finch portal is rigid overhead that can be found on the Crosstown line as well at TTC St Clair West loop. If you look at the Mount Denise Station, you will see the station is 100% ridged. I wouldn't be surprise if most of the underground is rigid overhead.

 

[nfitz]

If GO trains are going to be mostly 4-5 cars long and unlikely to be 12 cars long, then why is Metrolinx spending money on upgrading the entire length of the stations?

An interesting question. Which leads to wondering if ONxpress is going to build the new stations that they are doing as 12-car stations or 5-car stations.