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I really hope this is some kind of communication error, because the replacement bus service they have communicated makes no sense whatsoever. They're still going to dump all of the Milton line customers at Lakeshore West stations even though there is no Lakeshore West train, and apparently they are completely abandoning Port Credit, Long Branch and Mimico. Ignoring 416 stations is nothing new to GO but dropping Port Credit is a new low.
It would make a lot more sense if it was 21C as in Erindale-Sq One-Cooksville then heading to Kipling and Union after, so Port Credit riders at least have Cooksville or Clarkson to head to. Or even if its the interlined with the 29 that already heads to Kipling. This 21S routing however makes 0 sense and even more questionable considering the subway will do a much better job in time given if the Gardiner has traffic.
 
Just mapping out a concept map
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I don't understand why an express version wouldn't just hit the three mid-line interchanges (i.e., Woodbine - Line 6, Mount Dennis - Line 5, and Bloor - Line 2). But I guess the service pattern suggested is to make both versions only hit no more than 4 stations. So here I am answering my own question. Haha.
 
If one was to have two different trains, I'd be tempted to do like Heathrow, and have one train as non-stop, and the other stop everywhere.

Might be interesting to extend one of them to East Harbour station as well.
 
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I think my idea might be closer to reality than you guys are thinking, but I guess we all won’t know until mid next year.
 
I think my idea might be closer to reality than you guys are thinking, but I guess we all won’t know until mid next year.
The only station opening next year is Mount Dennis. By the time the rest of the stations are open the line should be fully quad tracked.
 
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I think my idea might be closer to reality than you guys are thinking, but I guess we all won’t know until mid next year.

I can't imagine ML skipping the Peel/Brampton market. The Woodbine station and the St Clair stations will not be with us for years. The Liberty station platforms are now pretty much cast in stone and that implies a service plan that's already fairly well firmed up.

UP business does not seem to be harmed by having to make stops - it's still a very quick trip to the airport. I can't imagine that an express service on top of the current stopping business would bring in more riders.

I can believe that UP might eventually want to move to a much more frequent headway, and I suppose that might demand trains that skip every second stop on an alternating basis. They would have to increase their fleet to make that work. When the line is electrified, that may be an option.

- Paul
 
Seems like they’re finally running buses to Union again but its not what you expect.

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Apparently that update was error, the bus will NOT be going from Kipling to Union.

It will instead follow the current route 21C except go to Kipling and terminate there rather than going to Port Credit.
 
I can't imagine ML skipping the Peel/Brampton market. The Woodbine station and the St Clair stations will not be with us for years. The Liberty station platforms are now pretty much cast in stone and that implies a service plan that's already fairly well firmed up.

UP business does not seem to be harmed by having to make stops - it's still a very quick trip to the airport. I can't imagine that an express service on top of the current stopping business would bring in more riders.

I can believe that UP might eventually want to move to a much more frequent headway, and I suppose that might demand trains that skip every second stop on an alternating basis. They would have to increase their fleet to make that work. When the line is electrified, that may be an option.

- Paul
But you cannot expect a 10 or 12 car GO train to serve the same kind of route. 6 Cars maybe. But the costs analysis doesn't make sense for that kind of ridership.
 
But you cannot expect a 10 or 12 car GO train to serve the same kind of route. 6 Cars maybe. But the costs analysis doesn't make sense for that kind of ridership.

The short UP platforms pretty much guarantee that we won't be running long GO trains to the airport. The issue is, even at the moment UP is pretty well patronised, and some of that ridership represents non-airport GO patrons who use UP because GO only runs hourly. Meanwhile, airport-related demand can be expected to rise, especially when stops at Liberty and Mount Dennis are added.
Increasing GO service and then reinstating a premium fare for non-Pearson riders is probably the best stopgap, and then one can scale up the UP headways to align to growth in airport business. Skipping alternate stops then becomes one possible way to manage those closer headways.

- Paul
 
The short UP platforms pretty much guarantee that we won't be running long GO trains to the airport. The issue is, even at the moment UP is pretty well patronised, and some of that ridership represents non-airport GO patrons who use UP because GO only runs hourly. Airport-related patronage can be expected to rise, especially when Liberty and Mount Dennis are added.
Increasing GO service and then reinstating a premium fare for non-Pearson riders is probably the best stopgap, and then one can scale up the UP headways to align to growth in airport business. Skipping alternate stops then becomes one possible way to manage those closer headways.

- Paul
How much faster can an L6 with an MP40 accelerate vs an L12? Or use one F59 on each end.
 
How much faster can an L6 with an MP40 accelerate vs an L12? Or use one F59 on each end.

It's moot.

UP couldn't run L6 trains into Pearson even if they wanted to. I believe @Willybru21 's notional map was all about meeting Pearson demand independent of GO service, which is unlikely to ever terminate at Pearson.

- Paul
 
It's moot.

UP couldn't run L6 trains into Pearson even if they wanted to. I believe @Krypto98's notional map was all about meeting Pearson demand independent of GO service, which is unlikely to ever terminate at Pearson.

- Paul
Build a station on the main line. What happened to Union station west?
 
Build a station on the main line. What happened to Union station west?

Decades away.

(There is a station proposed for the main line, by the way..... it's called Woodbine. It was announced in 2017. And was never meant to serve the airport. But it's as close as GO could ever get, unless USW actually happens)

- Paul
 
Apparently that update was error, the bus will NOT be going from Kipling to Union.

It will instead follow the current route 21C except go to Kipling and terminate there rather than going to Port Credit.
That makes a lot more sense thank you for clarifying.
 

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