cplchanb
Senior Member
for the stoufville line whats holding them back from relaunching weekend day trains? why only evening trains?
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T3G
Senior Member
In retrospect, you may be right - it may have been obvious from my post that I was letting my emotions get the better of me.
However, even if that is true, I can still blame ML for the fact that the 22 won't run on weekends and have a pretty spotty frequency.
Well spotted. But I also noticed there is nothing between 10 am and 2 pm. Effectively we've gone back to the same status quo as before. Why does this town exist?
canarob
Senior Member
Weekend trains have been back for a while, aside from certain weekends with construction closures.
Dan416
Senior Member
So the new Milton line trains they added are
1. Departing Milton at 6:43 am (in between trains that are now scheduled for 6:28 and 6:58 am--it seems all trains are scheduled for a minute earlier and arriving at Union at the same time, which makes sense I guess because the trains are always late as I've mentioned before) and arriving at Union at 7:48 am.
2. Departing Union at 4:10 pm (in between a 3:40 pm train and a 4:25 pm train). I thought most people work 9 to 5. So those of us on that kind of a schedule, this doesn't help at all. I really thought they'd add something around 5:40 pm or 6:10 pm.
Thanks for nothing Metrolinx.
However, the return of the Milton buses to Union is at least something. They're actually quicker than the train a lot of the time. The late buses especially can be at Cooksville GO in 20-ish minutes, versus the train which is now taking over half an hour.
1. Departing Milton at 6:43 am (in between trains that are now scheduled for 6:28 and 6:58 am--it seems all trains are scheduled for a minute earlier and arriving at Union at the same time, which makes sense I guess because the trains are always late as I've mentioned before) and arriving at Union at 7:48 am.
2. Departing Union at 4:10 pm (in between a 3:40 pm train and a 4:25 pm train). I thought most people work 9 to 5. So those of us on that kind of a schedule, this doesn't help at all. I really thought they'd add something around 5:40 pm or 6:10 pm.
Thanks for nothing Metrolinx.
However, the return of the Milton buses to Union is at least something. They're actually quicker than the train a lot of the time. The late buses especially can be at Cooksville GO in 20-ish minutes, versus the train which is now taking over half an hour.
Achemarci
New Member
Even rush hour service is shocking. Back in 2002, there were 6 eastbound trips from Milton to Finch between 5am and 8am. 22 years later, there are 7. In 2002 there were 7 westbound trips from Finch to Milton between 2pm and 8pm. In 2024 there are 8, and the last last one leaves earlier than in 2002 (6:40pm vs. 7:05pm). How does a Town quadruple in size and there is virtually no improvementIn retrospect, you may be right - it may have been obvious from my post that I was letting my emotions get the better of me.
However, even if that is true, I can still blame ML for the fact that the 22 won't run on weekends and have a pretty spotty frequency.
Well spotted. But I also noticed there is nothing between 10 am and 2 pm. Effectively we've gone back to the same status quo as before. Why does this town exist?
reaperexpress
Senior Member
The AM trip make sense: there's now service every arriving at Union every 15 minutes from 07:30 to 09:00.
The PM trip is definitely bizarre though... I was so certain they'd add it at 17:40 that I hadn't even checked the times in the new schedule.
I guess the silver lining is that there's still one more round trip to be added to return to pre-pandemic service levels, so hopefully it will be at 17:40.
anb
Active Member
Wait… why would they bring back the 21 directly to Union? The very same reason it was detoured to begin with which was due to summer traffic, will now get even worse due to Gardiner construction which will make this route completely unbearable.
It would’ve been better if they would go to Bramalea, Hwy 407, or Kipling instead. We live in a time where all the transit agencies are integrated in fare.
It would’ve been better if they would go to Bramalea, Hwy 407, or Kipling instead. We live in a time where all the transit agencies are integrated in fare.
Metroscapes
Active Member
I'll be very interested to see the run time for UPX trains. GO trains express to Bramalea can do the trip in 27 minutes vs. local trippers (with or without stops at Etobicoke North or Malton) vs. 35-36 minutes, so a savings of ~8 minutes. I imagine it's be a fraction of that given the faster acceleration / deceleration, but it ain't nothing. Can they achieve 20 minutes? That sounds much quicker than 25, comparative to saying "it's 5 minutes faster".
Northern Light
Superstar
You may recall, the pre-UPX idea here was pushed 'as Blue 22' as in, it could make the run in 22 minutes. That included one stop at the Bloor Station.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
UP Express trains have a 10 mph (16 km/h) speed limit while passing UP Express platforms so the express trains will hardly save any time at all. They'd be lucky to save 1 minute per skipped stop, in which case the travel time would be 23 minutes.
GO Trains don't have that speed restriction so GO Kitchener express trains commonly pass through stations at 120 km/h, saving about 2 min per stop skipped.
The elephant in the room here is Mount Dennis station which should open relatively soon. Adding that stop to the local service would produce a travel time of about 27 minutes to Pearson. Personally I'm hoping that they just ditch Weston from UP Express and have a all UP trains serve only Union, Bloor, Mt Dennis and Pearson. Removing Weston from all UP trips would allow them to remove the platform edges from the UP platforms, allowing UP trains to pass through at the full 120 km/h track speed. Ridership from Weston is primarily to/from Union, not Pearson, so the Kitchener local service is much more suitable for serving that demand. Especially since UP Express doesn't have free transfers to/from TTC like GO does.
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IRT_BMT_IND
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cplchanb
Senior Member
ohh didnt know that. good to know
T3G
Senior Member
Unfortunately, humans are often known for choosing exactly the things that are worse for them.
N.B. I have not observed that the trains have been overcrowded, unless there's a sports game or major concert on, in which case the Milton bus was rammed too. Not empty, certainly, but there has always been ample space for people travelling off-peak.
allengeorge
Senior Member
Article from The Star on today’s announcement:
www.thestar.com
FTA:
While the premier touted an overall 15 per cent expansion in GO service — with about 300 additional weekly trips on the Lakeshore West, Lakeshore East, Milton, Kitchener and Stouffville lines as of April 28 — he said the province still needs Ottawa's assistance.
"We're going to keep urging the federal government to join us in a true cost-sharing partnership to build a fully separated passenger rail line, so we can finally make two-way all-day GO train service a reality here in Milton," Ford said Monday at the Milton GO station.
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Naidoo Harris, manager of community affairs for Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden, is the son of former education minister Indira Naidoo Harris, who represented Milton from 2014 until 2018.
He pointed out that Ford cancelled planned upgrades to Milton's GO station four years ago and has yet to move forward with a second station in the area.
"This riding has had a Conservative MPP since 2018 and it's only now, when this seat is at risk, that Doug Ford has managed to find Milton on the map," said Naidoo Harris.
Doug Ford promises all-day GO train service in Milton — if Ottawa steps up
While the premier touted an overall 15 per cent expansion in GO service on Monday, he said the province still needs Ottawa's assistance.
www.thestar.com
FTA:
While the premier touted an overall 15 per cent expansion in GO service — with about 300 additional weekly trips on the Lakeshore West, Lakeshore East, Milton, Kitchener and Stouffville lines as of April 28 — he said the province still needs Ottawa's assistance.
"We're going to keep urging the federal government to join us in a true cost-sharing partnership to build a fully separated passenger rail line, so we can finally make two-way all-day GO train service a reality here in Milton," Ford said Monday at the Milton GO station.
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Naidoo Harris, manager of community affairs for Liberal MP Adam van Koeverden, is the son of former education minister Indira Naidoo Harris, who represented Milton from 2014 until 2018.
He pointed out that Ford cancelled planned upgrades to Milton's GO station four years ago and has yet to move forward with a second station in the area.
"This riding has had a Conservative MPP since 2018 and it's only now, when this seat is at risk, that Doug Ford has managed to find Milton on the map," said Naidoo Harris.
Metroscapes
Active Member
Is there a certain rationale for that? UPX sneakin up on people? Vehicle dimensions / dynamic envelope?