Monarch Butterfly
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The 509 Harbourfront is a "shuttle".
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innsertnamehere
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if I worked downtown and lived in LV, I'd take it. it's barely more than the TTC and would get me to work much quicker than the 504.
nfitz
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It's just extending the Lakeshore East trains a couple of stops, while they've got the Lakeshore West service cuts for construction further west.
Convenient for those that use those stations, heading to Union or towards Oshawa.
drum118
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Bordercollie
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So if you work 9-5 you can take the GO train to Union in the morning and then ride the VIA home.
The GO train leaves kitchener after 5pm so if you live in St Mary's you can now commute to Kitchener by train. Its not designed for London to Toronto passengers anyways since VIA would be faster using the Dundas sub.
Krypto98
Active Member
I did some playing around with the schedule. The earliest any train could arrive in London would be at 1:30 PM with an extension of the 9:34-11:28 Union Kitchener train. Theoretically if this train left at 1:50-2pm it would get to Kitchener around 4pm and need to get past silver by 4:35 PM for the 3:34 PM-5:28 Union Kitchener Train, which is currently not possible, the trains would theoretically meet between Acton and Georgetown or even Guelpy. The estimated arrival time to union would be at 6:00pm
ssiguy2
Senior Member
If this is to truly help Londoners, what they should do is have the London route run express from KW to Union with a single stop at Malton for Pearson. Once the upgrades to the line are complete, it would shave a good 45 minutes off the travel time. This would not only make it far more appealing to Londoners but asl KW commuters as well.
Ideally, once Woodbine station is open they could forget Malton and have it stop there for an easy transfer onto the UPX.
Ideally, once Woodbine station is open they could forget Malton and have it stop there for an easy transfer onto the UPX.
Urban Sky
Senior Member
I suggest you start negotiating with CN right now and report back to us once you've managed to secure a third slot for the same peak hour through their main Toronto-Chicago Corridor. Also, as someone who's dayjob involves calculating run times for passenger trains, I can assure you that your "would shave a good 45 minutes off the travel time" is as mindlessly over-optimistic* as every single of the countless suggestions you've been sprouting in forums like this...
*Express trains gain currently 9 minutes of travel time by skipping four stops (Bloor, Weston, Etobicoke North and, well, Malton), this a saving of 2:15 minutes per stop. I would expect a similar saving for skipping 6 more stops (Bramalea, Brampton, Mount Pleasant, Georgetown, Acton and Guelph), so maybe 10 minutes in total...
Garuda
Active Member
I contacted Metrolinx back in the spring and they said that the 2nd platform for Guelph should start construction in fall 2021. So hopefully that starts soon and the Double track work is complete once the bridge work is done. That way we’ll be able to realistically have the service you’re describing.
Also aren’t we supposed to be getting a major service announcement this month?
smallspy
Senior Member
The major ones that I'd been told about earlier in the year had been moved to September. And have already happened.
That said, Metrolinx's marketing is portraying this London service as a major service expansion. Whether it actually ends up being useful for anyone remains to be seen.
Dan
nfitz
Superstar
New schedules are already on the website https://www.gotransit.com/en/trip-planning/seeschedules/full-schedules
Not that much. Some tweaks to the Milton schedule, including an extra train. The London service. They fixed the Lakeshore West schedule to show the missing daily Niagara Falls train, and restored some of the evening Lakeshore West service cuts as far as Mimico.
Garuda
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That’s too bad. I was hoping for a weekend service announcement on the Kitchener Line after the bridge work in Guelph.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
What is up with the (lack of) weekday evening service on Lakeshore West? It's odd that GO is going through the trouble of introducing a Union-Exhibition shuttle* rather than running full 30-minute service like they do on weekend evenings.
*According to the combined Lakeshore timetable it is actually a shuttle train, not an extension of Lakeshore East trips.
Service drops off a cliff after the PM peak, falling from 6 trains per hour, down to just 1:
Is there ongoing trackwork west of Mimico which encourages GO to design a schedule which can be run on a single track?
On weekends it's also useful that they show the Niagara trips since they're the only express trips of the day, and because the last train of the night is actually a Niagara trip.
Second half of the weekend eastbound timetable:
*According to the combined Lakeshore timetable it is actually a shuttle train, not an extension of Lakeshore East trips.
Service drops off a cliff after the PM peak, falling from 6 trains per hour, down to just 1:
Is there ongoing trackwork west of Mimico which encourages GO to design a schedule which can be run on a single track?
It's not just the daily weekday train, it's also the 4 daily weekend trains, which is great news. It was very annoying that select Lakeshore West train trips were previously missing from the Lakeshore West train timetable.
On weekends it's also useful that they show the Niagara trips since they're the only express trips of the day, and because the last train of the night is actually a Niagara trip.
Second half of the weekend eastbound timetable:
Given that a pick-and-mix of GO and VIA trips does look like it would make sense for some commuters, it would be nice if they could work something out with the bulk discounts for GO and VIA. VIA sells commuter tickets in packs of 20 per month, so if you commute semi-regularly and use a mix of GO and VIA trips you wouldn't meet the threshold for bulk discounts on either GO or VIA individually even though your total number of trips may actually reach their theshold if they'd all been with the same company. In general it would be nicer if one company offered two trips per day, rather than two companies each offering 1 trip per day, one hour apart from eachother.
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Monarch Butterfly
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"London and the Thames were named in 1793 by John Graves Simcoe, who proposed the site for the capital city of Upper Canada. The first European settlement was between 1801 and 1804 by Peter Hagerman.[5] The village was founded in 1826 and incorporated in 1855. Since then, London has grown to be the largest southwestern Ontario municipality and Canada's 11th largest metropolitan area, having annexed many of the smaller communities that surround it." From link.
Now London, Ontario will be a "bedroom suburb" of Toronto, Ontario. Interesting outcome.
Now London, Ontario will be a "bedroom suburb" of Toronto, Ontario. Interesting outcome.
I’ve taken the Lakeshore West train a few times lately. Ridership remains very low off peak. The QEW, however, is definitely busy. How do we get people back on the train?