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PPPS - removing the derail is not an option so long as the territory remains as is. It is a safety feature that has to be there by design, as under past/current operations that siding may be used to store cars or equipment. However, providing the proper keys so crews can operate it might be another possibility.

That someone went and put a special lock on the derail without something else that ought to prevent use is honestly the wildest part of this thing. It really SHOULD just be on a switch lock.

As far as amount of dark territory, don't forget that the entire north mainline was dark until Metrolinx got involved. Without the PTC mandate the class 1s really aren't shy about doing this way.
 
That someone went and put a special lock on the derail without something else that ought to prevent use is honestly the wildest part of this thing. It really SHOULD just be on a switch lock.

As far as amount of dark territory, don't forget that the entire north mainline was dark until Metrolinx got involved. Without the PTC mandate the class 1s really aren't shy about doing this way.
Who else would use that siding? You think CN would store cars on the station siding? Wouldn't they need permission?

There is no second platform there so even if they could use the second track they would need to backup again and then enter the station track after the Maple Leaf left.
 
Who else would use that siding? You think CN would store cars on the station siding? Wouldn't they need permission?

Why would CN need permission to store cars on the track it owns? This is CN trackage, not ML trackage.

They certainly wouldn't store cars in the mainline, or a regularly used siding, but this is not that.
 
They would store cars in a station sliding?

Well, that's what a siding is for. As noted, this siding is likely there for that purpose, and not as a passing point.

One might use it if, say, there were a VIA or GO train that lays over for the evening at Niagara Falls.

And then, railways are famous for taking extreme measures after the horses have left the barn

Changes made after runaway rail car crossed border


- Paul
 
The length of the trains is besides the point - you had a westbound train east of an eastbound train on a single track! Clearly nobody's going anywhere in that situation.
Yeah but if either the trains were shorter or the platform was longer, GO could’ve unloaded, reloaded, and went back to Toronto in just over 10 minutes, instead of a 40 minute delay trying to find keys and finding a siding for GO to reverse back to.
 
Yeah but if either the trains were shorter or the platform was longer, GO could’ve unloaded, reloaded, and went back to Toronto in just over 10 minutes, instead of a 40 minute delay trying to find keys and finding a siding for GO to reverse back to.
Reversing past Victoria Street will allow you to use the station siding or the 2nd track. That took 40min?
 
Reversing past Victoria Street will allow you to use the station siding or the 2nd track. That took 40min?
It indeed did, they spent a good period of time looking for the keys to the derail, and then I guess needed to find another siding nearby.
 
GO has started doing a stroller coach alongside the accessibility car for the Niagara train, a fantastic idea!
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PPS - it also speaks to the priority and level of attention that the CN RTC center gives to passenger. CN‘s RTCs have lots of territory to cover and they won’t be attending to everything at once. You can be sure that if the RTC was expecting a westbound hot intermodal train, somebody would be worrying about how the two trains’ meet would be arranged. But because it’s only the Maple Leaf, whose time of arrival is uncertain and variable, and which can accept any amount of delay if its route isn’t clear, the RTC just lets whatever happens happen.
The situation is not a rule violation, and so long as everybody does their job properly and stays awake (as the GO crew clearly did) it’s not unsafe by traditional railroad standards. But it speaks to the level of attention to detail that passenger trains are given when on somebody else’s railroad. And it speaks to how the safety standards have indeed risen in recent years…. the whole idea of running heavily loaded passenger trains under Rule 105 principles, which was quite common in 1920, seems hard to accept any more.
I would also point out that thanks to the PTC push in the USA, the Maple Leaf’s locomotive would be equipped with loads of modern technology to keep its train within its route authority and separated from other trains. All that technology ceases to matter when the Maple Leaf enters the “dark” territory at the Falls.

- Paul

PPPS - removing the derail is not an option so long as the territory remains as is. It is a safety feature that has to be there by design, as under past/current operations that siding may be used to store cars or equipment. However, providing the proper keys so crews can operate it might be another possibility.
Likely the derail had a special lock on it. I maybe have to check my timetable for the Grimsby sub again... but I believe that siding is out of Service hence the special lock that nobody has the key for...
 
I believe it’s the track running west out of the siding that is out of service. If the siding were out of service the switches would likely have been spiked and possibly the points removed. The fact that the crew attempted to open the derail suggests the track was still in service.

I expect the move required was for the GO train to reverse to Clifton and enter the south main, then wait for the Maple Leaf to depart and take the north track at Clifton - to be on the proper side for the platform at St Catherines.

- Paul
 
I believe it’s the track running west out of the siding that is out of service. If the siding were out of service the switches would likely have been spiked and possibly the points removed. The fact that the crew attempted to open the derail suggests the track was still in service.

I expect the move required was for the GO train to reverse to Clifton and enter the south main, then wait for the Maple Leaf to depart and take the north track at Clifton - to be on the proper side for the platform at St Catherines.

- Paul

This would be consistent w/the aerial photos:

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One can see considerable overgrowth on the siding as it approaches the mainline near the U.S. border.

Not that the mainline looks particularly well cared for................
 

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