Richard White
Senior Member
Would that not just put us right back where we started?
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Would that not just put us right back where we started?
Willybru21
Active Member
The bag was caught on a grab iron as the train was pulling into the station, didn’t have anything to do with the doors. That’s why the grab irons on all coaches were removed a few years ago:
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yes and that's the point. To show the customers the accurate time they need to be on the platform. Behind the scenes GO can consider the departure time to be whatever they like
reaperexpress
Senior Member
turbanplanner
Senior Member
Thanks not sure where I heard that from but looks like it was wrong
rbt
Senior Member
Agreed. I wondered if there is some quirk in Alstom's operations contract (inherited from Bombardier) which prevented doing this: padding the running time (from the customers perspective) is the obvious change to make.
Krypto98
Active Member
Noooooo now I can't ride the coach on the outside...
Actually they would probably be as bad to ride as a loaded lumber car... I've never liked riding those...
Willybru21
Active Member
You can ride outside if you find an older coach with an unlocked upper level window, which I’ve found two of in the past month.
In all seriousness it’s a major safety concern to have those windows on the upper level unlocked, someone can easily fall out if they lean out the window to smoke or something.
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Krypto98
Active Member
Haha yeah I've seen this too now
In all seriousness... don't ride the outside. I've been professionally trained on riding rail cars on the outside and if you don't know what you are doing you'll get hurt very badly...
Richard White
Senior Member
crs1026
Superstar
And even for those who are trained and experienced, it remains a very high-risk part of their jobs - roughly 10% of all rail worker fatalities are related to situations where they were riding the outside of railcars.
- Paul
ARG1
Senior Member
Passengers aren't entitled to anything. At best they're entitled to efforts by Metrolinx to enforce reasonable safety standards, but at some point it falls to the passengers to not be idiots. If you want to get out of the train by walking on side of your feet, Metrolinx is under no obligation to deploy a mat under the door in the likely event you trip and hit your head on the concrete.
MovingBlock
New Member
I understand that there is a reasonable person test for safety-related things. If passengers could reasonably believe something is safe to do, it needs to be safe.
The case I was referring to (sticking your hand in a door) is a scenario that passengers reasonably see as a safe thing to do, so Metrolinx is obligated to make it safe.
ARG1
Senior Member
Sounds like the goal should make passengers see it as unsafe and dangerous (which we should do). We shouldn't be enabling bad behaviour.
MovingBlock
New Member
I don’t understand how it’s inherently unsafe to stick your hand in a door. I and many other passengers do it all the time in elevator doors. Metrolinx has no control over passenger perceptions of safety at the doors unless it embarks on a campaign to remove safety protections from all elevators in the province. Even then, visitors from elsewhere will continue to put their hands in.
Passengers who act reasonably are entitled to safety, even if it annoys us.