ShonTron
Moderator
I'm busy this afternoon, and don't have time yet to analyse the changes to the Kitchener Line, but here's the new timetable.
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11th
Senior Member
If bus goes to Simcoe, I wish it would also pass through Port Dover.
duffo
Active Member
They accidentally pasted the EB AM schedule twice so the EB PM is missing!
Towered
Superstar
Wait - did Hamilton and Brantford not have a bus connection until now?
Jonny5
Senior Member
It's not brand new, but I think it's only a few years for GO at least.
There have been private operators like Greyhound who serviced this route in the more distant past, and usually then continuing on to/from London, but they shuttered operations well before the pandemic.
pattyrick
New Member
No, the 15 has been around for quite a while. The new segment is the Brantford - Six Nations/Mississaugas of the Credit leg.
nfitz
Superstar
Other than the missing page ...
I'm surprised the express only saves 5 minutes, eastbound, cutting 4 stations running express east of Bramlea. Well 7 minutes now, as they've padded all the non-express schedules by 2 minutes between Bloor and Weston - presumably for Mount Dennis station. I guess no one told Metrolinx that it's not opening until September.
anb
Active Member
They didn’t mention a lot of things from that initial article.
On top of what we knew already:
- New 12D route stopping at St Catherines Fairview Mall, Niagara College, and the 2 stops in Niagara itself.
- Most route 30 trips will now extend to Highway 407 terminal, basically reinstating the old 25F in a way.
- 32 will no longer head to York Mills and will start/end at Finch station.
- 48 will now stop at the Regional Rd 25/Hwy 401 P&R in Milton
- 67 will now stop at Bloomington GO
A couple other things to mention is that the current 90 min gap on the Kitchener line eastbound train leaving Bramalea to Union at 6:24PM->7:56PM, is now a 30 minute and then 60 minute one. It now goes 6:28PM->6:58PM->8:00PM which is a massive improvement overall.
There is also a train starting from Malton to Union at 10:34AM so now there is consistent 30 min service from the 6:04AM train all the way to the 4:36PM trip. Going westbound from Union, there are only 2 time slots that still need trains for the line to be fully 30 min service all day, one at 10:04AM and the other at 11:04PM.
On top of what we knew already:
Service Related Updates
Check this page to see if there are any current delays on GO Transit.
www.gotransit.com
- New 12D route stopping at St Catherines Fairview Mall, Niagara College, and the 2 stops in Niagara itself.
- Most route 30 trips will now extend to Highway 407 terminal, basically reinstating the old 25F in a way.
- 32 will no longer head to York Mills and will start/end at Finch station.
- 48 will now stop at the Regional Rd 25/Hwy 401 P&R in Milton
- 67 will now stop at Bloomington GO
A couple other things to mention is that the current 90 min gap on the Kitchener line eastbound train leaving Bramalea to Union at 6:24PM->7:56PM, is now a 30 minute and then 60 minute one. It now goes 6:28PM->6:58PM->8:00PM which is a massive improvement overall.
There is also a train starting from Malton to Union at 10:34AM so now there is consistent 30 min service from the 6:04AM train all the way to the 4:36PM trip. Going westbound from Union, there are only 2 time slots that still need trains for the line to be fully 30 min service all day, one at 10:04AM and the other at 11:04PM.
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ARG1
Senior Member
stevensontransit
Active Member
I've just checked out most of those changes and sadly they are largely the same except for some seasonal summer services. They also must be forgotten on restoring pre-pandemic service on the 16 QEW bus to fully 7 days a week including rush hours. That route has been very popular that it just goes non stop between toronto and hamilton and riders prefer that route because they don't make stops in between!
LNahid2000
Senior Member
One thing I don't like about the new weekend schedule is that I can no longer connect from the GO train to bus 33 at Brampton GO on weekend afternoons. My sister lives near Hurontario/Bovaird so that's what I'd usually do with a weekend pass, but now I'll have to pay extra for Brampton Transit.
ack
New Member
The "new" 10:34 trip from Malton is actually a regression, as it replaces the 10:22 from Bramalea. Makes for a new one-hour gap at Bramalea from 9:56 to 10:58, right before the existing one-hour gap at all stations.
KawarthaTransiteer
New Member
Somehow, they've been able to cut service even further on the already extremely infrequent 88. This is after they removed one weekday trip last April; they got rid of the trip that would leave Trent University at 05:40, and connect with a train that arrived at Union at 08:42.
They're getting rid of one weekend trip (what currently is trip 88821), and are pushing the previous trip back by 30 minutes to compensate for the soon-to-be cancelled trip (on trip 88801, from leaving Trent University at 19:07 to leaving at 19:39).
I'm not sure how impactful cancelling this one trip will be whenever they have to bustitute train service, as they claim. As far as I know the 88 is still being operated the Oshawa Garage, meaning that about half a dozen buses are still making a 90 km deadhead between Peterborough and Oshawa on a daily basis.
If I can just give my two cents here, this is just another slap to the face to transit-dependant people in Peterborough (which includes me, though not right now as I currently am in Hamilton). Yes, I do realise it's just one trip that's being cut, however I feel like it's a symptom of Metrolinx/the province focusing on a brand and public perception, rather than on actual practical service or the well-being of their staff. Alongside cancelling that trip on weekdays (which realistically was the only sane trip for Downtown Toronto commuters), they converted 3 trips on weekends to operate express as the 88C. As I use the stop on Crawford Drive that express trips bypass and go down into Bowmanville regularly, it was a massive gut punch to realize that I'd have to rely on 3 hour frequencies on weekends.
It's even worse for Bowmanville and Newcastle, as they used to get regular GO bus service (about every 30 minutes on weekdays, and hourly on weekends), and now frequency is down to anywhere between every 1 to 3 hours. Also especially considering that there's quite a lot of development around the Bowmanville GO station area. Though at least DRT provides decent, regular service on the 902.
They're getting rid of one weekend trip (what currently is trip 88821), and are pushing the previous trip back by 30 minutes to compensate for the soon-to-be cancelled trip (on trip 88801, from leaving Trent University at 19:07 to leaving at 19:39).
I'm not sure how impactful cancelling this one trip will be whenever they have to bustitute train service, as they claim. As far as I know the 88 is still being operated the Oshawa Garage, meaning that about half a dozen buses are still making a 90 km deadhead between Peterborough and Oshawa on a daily basis.
If I can just give my two cents here, this is just another slap to the face to transit-dependant people in Peterborough (which includes me, though not right now as I currently am in Hamilton). Yes, I do realise it's just one trip that's being cut, however I feel like it's a symptom of Metrolinx/the province focusing on a brand and public perception, rather than on actual practical service or the well-being of their staff. Alongside cancelling that trip on weekdays (which realistically was the only sane trip for Downtown Toronto commuters), they converted 3 trips on weekends to operate express as the 88C. As I use the stop on Crawford Drive that express trips bypass and go down into Bowmanville regularly, it was a massive gut punch to realize that I'd have to rely on 3 hour frequencies on weekends.
It's even worse for Bowmanville and Newcastle, as they used to get regular GO bus service (about every 30 minutes on weekdays, and hourly on weekends), and now frequency is down to anywhere between every 1 to 3 hours. Also especially considering that there's quite a lot of development around the Bowmanville GO station area. Though at least DRT provides decent, regular service on the 902.
nfitz
Superstar
With the end of University of classes in a couple of weeks, it may be best to wait until after Labour Day to judge whether those are bus cutbacks or not.
anb
Active Member
It’s probably the mindset of them thinking that all day service to West Harbour is sufficient enough for most Toronto-Hamilton riders. Obviously that isn’t the case as the station is still a 20 min walk from the downtown and the train ride itself is currently almost 90 mins.