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Eug
Senior Member
Don't forget that Harper's promises were not even real promises. He promised tax breaks... essentially after the NEXT election. eg. "I'll increase the TFSA contribution room... after we balance the budget in 2016".
These are some of the weirdest promises in Canadian political history, but they worked.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
When Quebec leaves we will see how Toronto and Ottawa handle being the Major cities in Canada.
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OttoSchloss
Active Member
Oh the typical Reich wing democracy response: *now that we're in power you need to shut up.*
Never mind that the right complain constantly about the legitimacy of any government not in tune with their policies, once they are in power the debate is OVAH!
Enjoy the next 4-5 years of *democracy* Canadians.
sixrings
Senior Member
the 905 is delusional... the reality is that the rising gas prices are going to kill them... And the worst part is that the cons wont be very quick to add extra transit like GO to solve the issue.. All the areas in Toronto that went Conservative minue Scarborough are all well off areas. People on Avenue Road or in forest hill or at yonge and Sheppard dont have to worry about transit.. They can afford to drive if they want to.. So their issue was someone that was going to tax them less... If you look at 5 of the areas where Cons won in Toronto they won by 1000 ppl each... Not a HUGE win but it all still makes a difference...
archanfel
Active Member
The 905s are generally well off areas too. Yes, higher gas prices will hurt, but not significantly since the biggest expense for most people is tax. If people can afford to drive huge cars before, they can afford to drive far more gas efficient cars now.
That's not to say transit is unnecessary of course. Markham is doing a rapid way for Viva. Unfortunately, Toronto is not doing the same from Finch to Richmond Hill center.
grey
Senior Member
Settle down, champ, I was kidding!
The majority of voters still don't support Harper. They aren't not the problem. The real enemy is anachronistic FPTP sytem.
I'm looking at the map where major parts of Scaroborough and Etobicoke have gone from red to orange (centrist-left to even more left), which I'd love to consider a referendum on Ford's performance so far by his base constituency, but I don't think that's a terribly accurate statement.
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Eug
Senior Member
"Reich wing"? If you had any credibility in the past, you've just lost it.
Personally I think a LOT of people on this 416-centric board are simply crying chicken little.
And for the record, I live in the 416 (in a non-blue riding), and I didn't vote for the Conservatives. I am, however, sick of the whining about how everyone else who doesn't share some board members' views are idiotic, delusional, and are going to eat our babies.
ladyscraper
man alive
A lot of those seats that went Conservative actually voted towards the left if you add the NDP and Liberal votes... everyone could see even before the election that the conservatives can't be beat with all the vote splitting going on by the left.
The reason the conservatives are so successful now is because they are the only right wing party.. they merged their parties years ago and now reap the rewards. Are the left of centre parties too stubborn to do the same? Probably.
The reason the conservatives are so successful now is because they are the only right wing party.. they merged their parties years ago and now reap the rewards. Are the left of centre parties too stubborn to do the same? Probably.
ttk77
Senior Member
Voices are lost when parties merge. The answer is not to unite the left but to ditch the First Past the Post electoral system in favour of proportional representation. We need more political parties, not less.
grey
Senior Member
Correct. We need proportional representation, but we're not likely to get it now, and the Liberals might have no choice but to merge, now that their funding is in jeapordy.
Good analysis here: http://torontoist.com/2011/05/the_day_after.php
I'm really not looking forward to an American-style two-party system.
Good analysis here: http://torontoist.com/2011/05/the_day_after.php
I'm really not looking forward to an American-style two-party system.
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ladyscraper
man alive
Yes but why would the Conservatives want to allow that when it would mean they would lose? They are in power so there is no way they would push for something that would hurt them.
ttk77
Senior Member
Could potentially live with a two party system short term so long as the first act of a left leaning government was to enact some form of PR.
grey
Senior Member
I fear the new party would gradually drift to the centre.
Hipster Duck
Senior Member
The results show that Canada is still a left-leaning country so, if anything, we should have a split between two left-of-centre parties. I also really abhor the idea of a two party system like the United States. You also never know on the right: the conservatives became an Ontario party, and particularly, a GTA party with increasing ties to Ontario old money and power that used to be safely in the hands of the Liberals. As the conservatives begin to have more of an Ontario/Bay street presence, it might begin to alienate some of their Alberta base - particularly far right wing, social conservatives in rural ridings who vote primarily based on their moral compass. Could we see a split on the right, with a federal wing of the Wildrose Alliance?