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What this discussion should be about is what the appropriate sentence should be for serious crimes for youth. Is 10 years for murder like that given to an adult for 2nd degree appropriate? It would seem to me that 10 years given in a combination of youth detention/rehab facility and an adult prison seems appropriate.
I could live with that for the vast majority of cases. How about the sentence is 25 years max, with a default release at 10 years provided that rehab and parole says the killer is rehabiliated? For those young Bernardos and Dalmers, just starting their killing careers, the full 25 years could be applied. If at the end of that sentence, they're still not safe to release, then Dangerous Offender is used.
 
Do we have any actual numbers showing how many cases per year this would actually affect? One? Two?

This announcement is clearly nothing more than Harper's conservative version of Martin's proposal to ban handguns. Something wholly ideological to appeal to the base but with no actual effect on the real world. Simply choosing a scapegoat for the issue of crime.
 
Also, if minors aren't bound by contract law, why should they be eligible for life sentences?

I guess by your logic, nobody under 18 can be bound by ANY law?

I would not lower the age, but I would allow the case to be moved to adult court with adult sentences (juvenile detention up to age 18) BUT it would be up to the courts discretion (subject to appeal). It is not that I want all minors to get more sever punishments, but I want it to remain an option - if only as a deterrent.

I knew one person, who I was best friends with in Grade 3 -- but not at the time of the crime (although I still new him) [I cannot remember if he would have been under or over 16 - it was close], who broke a house to rob (another classmate of mine) -- when the mother of the house walked in. He beat her senseless (several fingers etc. had to be amputated), continued to rob the house -- then came back apparently to finish off the only witness -- which is when he was caught (she had come too and gone to a neighbours).

For that crime - he got 3 years.

IMHO: A lot of arguments seem to focus on whether our prison system is focused on rehabilitation first, or punishment first. Actually, the first and most important function of a prison -- is to protect society.

Also, a life sentence is 25 years (even without the option of parole - may only end up meaning 15 years). However they can be under supervision their whole life. In rare circumstances they may be deemed a dangerous offender - and held indefinitely (pending regular reviews).
 
How typical of right-wingers to blame society's problems on the teenagers. Next targets will be the immigrants, then the homosexuals, and so on.
 
How typical of right-wingers to blame society's problems on the teenagers. Next targets will be the immigrants, then the homosexuals, and so on.

Next thing you know people will be blaming crime on criminals and other assorted weirdness...
 
Do you sentence minors under the law to adult sentences?

Remember, no one is saying that the guilty individuals have not done anything wrong, but that their age or possibly their mental state plays a significant role in their actions (informed, but not mature).

I'm sure we can all find examples of violent teenagers who have committed horrible crimes. It's really easy. Maybe we can charge those elementary school-age kids who give an unwanted kiss to another school child with sexual harassment.

Oh. That's already been done.
 
How typical of right-wingers to blame society's problems on the teenagers. Next targets will be the immigrants, then the homosexuals, and so on.
Oh, oh, oh...can I start? Toronto's right wingers can make up an NRA'esque slogan like "guns don't kill people...black male youths kill people".
 

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