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They can't even afford for the escalators and elevators to work at the Granville store, and haven't been able to for years, so I can't say this is a surprise. HBC needs to just be a brand that sells the HBC Stripes merchandise via another chain because that is all the value the brand has left at this point. Or maybe they just sell it via small stores in malls, sorta like the ones that sell Canadiana merch to tourists, idk, but the department store situation feels increasingly dead.
 
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Was just at the Bay on Queen and just could not help noticing how sparse looking it was. Was looking for a dress shirt and it was slim pickings. The huge inventory of dress shirts they had in the past is all gone.

I do wonder how much longer they will be business.

Take it as a grain of salt but this thread is fascinating to read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/askTO/comments/1cgbk68/what_is_going_on_with_the_bay/?rdt=51554
https://www.reddit.com/r/askTO/comments/1cgbk68/what_is_going_on_with_the_bay/?rdt=51554
 
Just in time, things are not looking good for Macy's:

Macy’s is in deep trouble. It could be sitting on a goldmine​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/business/macys-real-estate-investors/index.html

New YorkCNN —
Macy’s would be more valuable if it just shut down its business and sold everything off for parts.

That’s the argument activist investment firm Barington Capital and private equity firm Thor Equities said in a proposal Monday that called on the company to make drastic changes to boost its stock price.

The problem, they say, is Macy’s is sitting on real estate that is more valuable than the company itself – an untenable situation that masks the true value of the company. Macy’s struggles are making its stock so unattractive that it is worth less than the sum of its parts, they argue.




The solution: Break it all apart.

“Macy’s owns valuable real estate holdings,” Barington said in a presentation posted online. “The market is implying that Macy’s retail operations are essentially worthless.”

The investors claim that Macy’s real estate, including its flagship store at Herald Square in New York City, is worth up to $9 billion on the open market, nearly double Macy’s closing market value Monday of $4.7 billion. They say Macy’s can squeeze more value out of its real estate by paying rent to a subsidiary controlling the property. The company could also sell space to developers to build on Macy’s real estate, like hotels, apartments or offices.

Macy’s owns 720 stores, including luxury department store Bloomingdale’s and beauty chain Bluemercury. The real estate value locked up in Macy’s retail locations is not a new discovery —investors and developers have long sought to build atop Macy’s Herald Square location, and Macy’s has proposed an office tower above the store.


Macy’s responded to the investor proposal Monday, saying the company is committed to “delivering sustainable, profitable growth and driving shareholder value.” Macy’s said it was confident in its strategy, which includes closing underperforming stores and investing in its top 50 stores with better staffing and new merchandise.

Investor groups such as private equity funds and hedge funds have sometimes bought struggling or under-performing retailers in recent years, with the stated goal of taking them private, turning them around and selling them for a profit. But the results have often led to closures, not salvation, for companies such as Sears and Toys “R” Us.

Macy’s should reject the investor proposal, said Mark Cohen, who retired as director of retail studies at Columbia Business School this year.

“The investors are not interested in long-term viability of the business,” he said. “Left to their own devices, these guys would strangle the company.”

The investors did not immediately respond to CNN’s request for comment.

The path laid out by Barington and Thor is similar to one followed by hedge fund operator Eddie Lampert after he purchased control of Sears and Kmart. He ended up selling off or developing much of their real estate.

He also sold off some of the many of the valuable brands that had been associated with Sears, including Craftsmen tools. And he spent more than $6 billion repurchasing shares of Sears Holdings, the company he formed to run the two chains, in a failed attempt to support its plunging stock price.

The results were not good. Stores were closed when they could no longer afford to pay rent to the separate company that now controlled its real estate. Sales plunged as the company was starved of the cash needed to invest in stores to make them attractive to shoppers. In 2018, after years of closing hundreds of stores, the company filed for bankruptcy. While it emerged from bankruptcy early in 2019, it has continued to struggle and has closed most of its remaining stores, leaving it with only a handful of Sears locations, and no full-size Kmarts in the mainland United States.

And Sears and Kmart are not the only once-iconic retail brands to die once private equity investors and hedge funds took control. Retailers from upscale department store chain Lord & Taylor to RadioShack to Toys ‘R’ Us to Payless Shoes and Sports Authority have all closed in the last 10 years.

Macy’s struggles​

Macy’s and other department stores, such as Kohl’s, Nordstrom and JCPenney, have lost out in recent years to online retailers like Amazon; big box retailers that sell groceries and a range of consumer goods like Walmart and Target; and discount clothing chains such as TJ Maxx and Marshalls. Macy’s stock (M) has dropped around 70% over the past decade.

It’s the second time activist investors have tried to pressure Macy’s this year.

Macy’s management ended talks with private investors attempting to take over the company in July. The investors planned to take Macy’s private and consider spinning off its real estate assets or separating its online operations from brick-and-mortar stores.

Macy’s board of directors voted unanimously to end discussions with Arkhouse Management and Brigade Capital Management over the investors’ offers to acquire the chain. Macy’s said it was unclear that the investors could finance a deal and it was not in shareholders’ best interests.

The new proposal also comes just weeks after Macy’s disclosed that an employee intentionally hid as much as $154 million in expenses over the course of nearly three years.

Macy’s was forced to delay its quarterly earnings report because of the accounting problem. The company reports quarterly earnings Wednesday.
 
It’s been a tough year for The Bay in Vancouver. Why 2025 likely won’t be any better

'A long, slow, deepening decline': The company has withdrawn plans to open a store at the new Oakridge shopping centre, while its flagship downtown store has struggled to keep elevators and escalators working

Author of the article:Joanne Lee-Young
Published Dec 22, 2024

On a recent weekday afternoon, Christmas music gently played in the background of Hudson’s Bay’s downtown Vancouver flagship store, which was adorned with festive decorations and a few holiday-themed window displays.

But two out of four elevators, and multiple escalators, were out of service and lineups at cash registers were non-existent.

It’s been a tough year for many HBC stores across the country with some closing and others struggling to keep up with repairs.

And retail analysts are predicting 2025 likely won’t be any better.

Recently, Hudson’s Bay officially withdrew its plans to have a new store at the Oakridge Park shopping centre under construction in Vancouver. It had been slated as an anchor tenant in a 140,000-sq.-ft. space.

“HBC continuously looks at opportunities to optimize its real estate portfolio on a market by market basis,” the company told trade publication Retail Insider. “We have recently completed an agreement with QuadReal Properties for our location at Oakridge Park and will not open within that redevelopment.”

The company said it would instead focus on its presence in downtown Vancouver.

However, Vancouver-based retail analyst David Ian Gray, who has been following Hudson’s Bay’s troubles, doesn’t believe that giving up on Oakridge means Hudson’s Bay will be reinvesting any time soon in the downtown Vancouver location.

He thinks, instead, that Hudson’s Bay’s parent company is focused on completely different ventures elsewhere.

In July 2024, HBC LP announced a major new corporate direction known as Saks Global, which aims to acquire luxury brands and major U.S. real estate assets, but leaves out Hudson’s Bay and its Canadian locations.

The deal to create Saks Global included buying luxury department store chain Neiman Marcus, which went bankrupt in 2020, for US$2.65 billion and was backed by investment from online retailer Amazon, software company Salesforce and others with the goal of reaching affluent shoppers buying luxury products online.

“The Bay, sadly, is in a long, slow, deepening decline,” Gray said. He said the existing store in downtown Vancouver is being viewed as real estate to be sold.

“They are not now seeking new locations. They are not reinvesting much at this point, rather they are focusing on their Neiman Marcus acquisition and the integration with Saks. There has been significant senior-level (management) turnover in the midst of all this.”

The department store segment within the retail industry has been in decline for awhile, as it’s not reflective of how newer generations shop, said Bruce Winder, a Toronto-based retail analyst, in an email.

He agreed that The Bay is a “brand in decline.”

“I think The Bay should reduce their store count and focus on a handful of stores (one per major city in Canada and mostly downtown) to offer better, but fewer, stores to its customers.”

Tiffany Bourre, Hudson’s Bay’s vice-president of communications, PR and heritage, declined to provide details about the company’s plans in Vancouver, saying more would be made public in the new year.

“Hudson’s Bay has a long history and continued commitment to the Vancouver market. HBC is excited to reinvest in the Vancouver community and is focused on investments in and the redevelopment of its flagship location on Granville Street in downtown Vancouver,” she said in an email.

The downtown Vancouver store location has been earmarked for redevelopment since HBC announced in 2022 a mixed-use project that would retain the outside of the heritage building at West Georgia and Seymour streets, reimagine the retail space inside and add a 1,000,000-sq.-ft., 12-storey office tower on top.

At the time, HBC executives from New York and Toronto loosely estimated the redevelopment cost at $700 million. But soon after, the downtown Vancouver office vacancy rate started rising to higher levels, even though it stayed lower than in other major cities and has since dropped.
There has been some unofficial talk about pivoting the project to other uses such as residential or hotel, but the reality of rapidly escalating construction costs and a very tight financing market has kept a lid on any solid plans.

In the meantime, some shoppers continue to visit the downtown location — with mixed reactions.

Given that their local Hudson’s Bay store shut down at Lougheed mall in Burnaby last year, Ahmed Mollaa and his wife decided to venture downtown last week to check out the flagship store.

But they emerged from the store empty-handed. Prices, for the most part, were out of their range.

“We find only the exclusive brands here,” Mollaa said. “She was looking for something in the mid-range. We just entered half an hour ago and now we are out.”

While friends Asha Virdee and Ekko Bonder also didn’t buy anything, they said they still liked the experience of walking through the store. At a time when online shopping is all the rage, it’s nice to be able to try on clothes.

“You want to know how the material feels,” Virdee said.

Bonder appreciated the flagship store’s historical architecture — like its ornate Corinthian columns — and landmark status. Their only suggestion would be to maybe freshen up the place — “it looks kind of old-fashioned,” Virdee said — and get the elevators working.

With files from Douglas Quan and John Mackie

jlee-young@postmedia.com
 
Walking through the Bay at Eglinton Square, saw someone come out of the elevator that has been down for many month as well the escalators are now working.

That surprises me given how derelict the store is.

I figured they wouldn't put any money into it given how close the mall is to closing.
 
Walking through the Bay at Eglinton Square, saw someone come out of the elevator that has been down for many month as well the escalators are now working.

The escalators weren't just turned off at Eglinton Square, the second floor was vacated, they put everything on the main level. It would seem odd if they've reopened the second floor to the public.
 

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