[thommyjo]

3 years is ridiculously long for road construction.

Jasper ave is the new Golden Gate Bridge. Takes so long to paint that you just rotate back to the start when you finish.

This project will have literally taken 20 years. What a joke.

 

[kcantor]

^^
To give everyone involved with the project an additional two years of something to do?

 

[Gronk!]

why?

I assume this will be in 3 phases:
2025: 114 - 117 Streets
2026: 117 - 121 Streets
2027: 121 - 124 Streets

I swear, talking to some of you folks is like talking to the moon.

 

[thommyjo]

I swear, talking to some of you folks is like talking to the moon.

Why does it have to take 3 years though? We should expedite work on main streets, retail areas, major roadways, and high density areas. 3 years of disruption for 10 blocks is laughable in many countries.

 

[MacLac]

Shit! At least we’re getting 3 consecutive years without a 3-4 year gap in between. A bird in a hand any-day all day……

 

[Gronk!]

Why does it have to take 3 years though? We should expedite work on main streets, retail areas, major roadways, and high density areas. 3 years of disruption for 10 blocks is laughable in many countries.

Budgeting with taxpayers money?
Sharing the load with other high priority construction?
More detour options?

 

[roe_]

Budgeting with taxpayers money?
Sharing the load with other high priority construction?
More detour options?

I would love to have the work done sooner, but you raise good points. I would imagine that the cost of mobilizing enough workers/materials to complete the whole shot in one season would drastically increase the final price. It has taken way too long to get to this point, and I am just glad it is finally funded and moving forward.

 

[kcantor]

I would love to have the work done sooner, but you raise good points. I would imagine that the cost of mobilizing enough workers/materials to complete the whole shot in one season would drastically increase the final price. It has taken way too long to get to this point, and I am just glad it is finally funded and moving forward.

I think it’s the other way around… mobilizing and demobilizing three times is much more expensive than just doing it once and that’s compounded by accompanying changes in personnel etc. Then there’s the additional uncertainty and escalations involved in pricing two and three years Into the future instead of just one. You can add to that the lowering of efficiencies in not being able to complete various scopes of work in one year instead of two or three that are more easily done in one (ie landscaping) as well as the added complexities of having warranty work split over three years and guarantees having different expiry dates both of which also complicate the city’s taking over maintenance and repairs following completion.

 

[thommyjo]

I think it’s the other way around… mobilizing and demobilizing three times is much more expensive than just doing it once and that’s compounded by accompanying changes in personnel etc. Then there’s the additional uncertainty and escalations involved in pricing two and three years Into the future instead of just one. You can add to that the lowering of efficiencies in not being able to complete various scopes of work in one year instead of two or three that are more easily done in one (ie landscaping) as well as the added complexities of having warranty work split over three years and guarantees having different expiry dates both of which also complicate the city’s taking over maintenance and repairs following completion.

Exactly.

Plus the costs of 3 years of disruption on commuting, local residents, retail businesses, etc.

I’m sure at a certain point there are diminishing returns to accelerate it. But anything more than 1 construction season seems stupid and needlessly disruptive. Wihkwentowin renewal will be happening all over this area too, plus 104ave LRT work, plus Wellington Bridge.

102ave Wellington bridge is already closed for the entire year. A TON of traffic will be diverted off of the western part of Jasper Ave. The perfect time to hammer out all the work in a year and reopen it all together.

 

[David A]

A problem is when a government looks at it from the view of what is efficient for them or their budget instead of what is good for the community as a whole.

A lot of damage has been done to our downtown by projects that have dragged on too long or too many things were happening in one area at the same time.

 

[itom987]

I remember a time when road construction (sidewalks and pavement) of an entire street would be done in one summer. There is absolutely no need to over complicate things.

 

[MacLac]

I remember a time when road construction (sidewalks and pavement) of an entire street would be done in one summer. There is absolutely no need to over complicate things.

Agreed, back in the early 80's for sure. But this is 10 blocks long by 6 lanes wide plus underground utilities plus planter boxes - that never existed when I was a kid etc etc......big project....

 

[thommyjo]

Agreed, back in the early 80's for sure. But this is 10 blocks long by 6 lanes wide plus underground utilities plus planter boxes - that never existed when I was a kid etc etc......big project....

3 years for 10 blocks isn’t a big project.

Other cities build whole metro lines in 3 years with tunnelling…

We are just incompetent and ok with laziness.

 

[kcantor]

I remember a time when road construction (sidewalks and pavement) of an entire street would be done in one summer. There is absolutely no need to over complicate things.

Can you imagine how many years it would take to do a new subdivision if you could only do 3-4 blocks of arterial or collector streets per year?

 

[MacLac]

3 years for 10 blocks isn’t a big project.

Other cities build whole metro lines in 3 years with tunnelling…

We are just incompetent and ok with laziness.

"Other cities" with "NO unions" - sure. Agreed - unions have turned the average hardworking bloke into a bloated, lazy piece of crap....no doubt about that......