Bordercollie
Senior Member
They are there all day at Finch
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
If we had double-ended streetcars, we could have put in temporary crossover tracks west of Simcoe Street and east of York Street, and not use buses at all.
turbanplanner
Active Member
You'd have to add traffic lights on the opposite side of each intersection and also figure out how to get the middle lane to travel the opposite direction of all other traffic?
DSC
Superstar
Just because something is a good idea, there really is no need to bring it up at every opportunity! Yes, double ended streetcars have advantages regarding loops but they do provide fewer seats. I am really not sure how I would vote on it but agree it needs to be examined properly (though I doubt that even if it is 'approved' it will happen here for decades and probably only on new routes with new cars.) Really best to get the TTC to manage things with the equipment they already have - now THERE'S a full time job for someone!
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The length of the Toronto streetcars are limited to how many streetcars the LOOP could hold. Usually, one Flexity Outlook at 30.20 m (99 ft 1 in), or two PCC streetcars, or a Peter Witt streetcar and its trailer.
With a double-ended streetcar, we could use longer streetcars, using on-street or off-street crossovers,
"The longest single unit tram/streetcar vehicles currently in operation (and also the longest ones ever built so far, as far as I know) are Budapest’s 56 metre (184 ft) CAF Urbos articulated low-floor trams:"
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T3G
Senior Member
It is not merely a question of how long the cars are that a loop can hold. The platform lengths figure in every bit as much. Spadina and Union stations are already pushing the envelope. Crossover loops are not a panacea either, on street turnbacks would be hugely complicated by traffic in all directions fouling them, while off street turnbacks... well, you need land to put them somewhere, too. If you want a turnback with straight tracks, as shown in the Yarra example, you would have to buy up more land. And if you have the tracks curving, well, then you essentially have a big loop and any advantages over a classic single direction car magically evaporate. Also, double ended cars would be limited by the infrastructure, too, same as the subway currently is.
Also, I fear the further frequency cuts that would arise if we had even longer rolling stock.
Also, I fear the further frequency cuts that would arise if we had even longer rolling stock.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
evandyk
Senior Member
Yay for streetcars coming back on Monday!
Jonny5
Senior Member
They're back now!
turbanplanner
Active Member
wish I could have ridden on the diversion
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I did one day but all they did was drop everyone off at church street before they went out of service for the rest of the routing
evandyk
Senior Member
I go from Sherbourne to Bay/York every day, and it was a pain, not a treat. But not a really big pain. Looking forward to being able to just get on a streetcar and ride next week.
Northern Light
Superstar
UT's @H4F33Z has put forth his ideas for improving the King Street Transit Corridor below. I like what I see here, I'd work on the streetscapes too, but he was focusing on function
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Some close-ups:
Taken from: https://twitter.com/trainguy89
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Some close-ups:
Taken from: https://twitter.com/trainguy89
W. K. Lis
Superstar
I would have added red, yellow, and green right turn arrow lights, and transit priority signal lights. Over the lanes AND catenary lines.
The steady red arrow means stop and remain stopped until presented with a green arrow or a flashing red arrow.
The flashing red arrow means stop and remain stopped for pedestrians and cross-traffic, then proceed with caution.
The flashing yellow arrow means a vehicle is allowed to cautiously enter an intersection only to make the turn indicated by the arrow, but the driver must first yield to oncoming traffic and pedestrians, then proceed with caution.
The solid yellow arrow means it is about to turn red and drivers should prepare to stop.
The steady green arrow means they have the right of way.
Could be implemented with the proper use of sensors to switch from flashing or steady red arrows.
Maybe "permanent" red left and straight arrow traffic signals.
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Bordercollie
Senior Member
By banning straight through traffic how do you do deliveries to those business'?I would have added red, yellow, and green right turn arrow lights, and transit priority signal lights. Over the lanes AND catenary lines.
(The rest of world also uses diagonal bars \ / for tram turns.) From link.
From link.
The steady red arrow means stop and remain stopped until presented with a green arrow or a flashing red arrow.
The flashing red arrow means stop and remain stopped for pedestrians and cross-traffic, then proceed with caution.
The flashing yellow arrow means a vehicle is allowed to cautiously enter an intersection only to make the turn indicated by the arrow, but the driver must first yield to oncoming traffic and pedestrians, then proceed with caution.
The solid yellow arrow means it is about to turn red and drivers should prepare to stop.
The steady green arrow means they have the right of way.
Could be implemented with the proper use of sensors to switch from flashing or steady red arrows.
Maybe "permanent" red left and straight arrow traffic signals.