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Martin"The Lefty Liberal" goes cool on Kyoto

Martin goes cool on Kyoto
He distances himself from Chrétien's plan; official says Russia won't ratify agreement

By STEVEN CHASE, MARK MACKINNON, PATRICK BRETHOUR

UPDATED AT 11:58 AM EST &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2003

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OTTAWA, MOSCOW, CALGARY -- Prime-minister-designate Paul Martin distanced himself yesterday from Canada's plan to fulfill the Kyoto accord, as a senior Russian official cast a cloud over the future of the sweeping global pact to cut greenhouse-gas emissions.

Mr. Martin, asked repeatedly whether his government will follow through on Canada's Kyoto commitments should the deal die, said Canada does not yet have an adequate plan to determine whether it can live up to its targets.

This put him at odds with Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, who drew up a Kyoto implementation plan in 2002 and said yesterday that Canada must press forward with or without Russia.

"The obligation remains the same," Mr. Chrétien said.

Both Mr. Martin and Mr. Chrétien were responding after a senior adviser to President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that Russia would not ratify the Kyoto Protocol because it would significantly hamper the economy. This would effectively kill the international deal.

Russia, in essence, has a veto over the pact because it's the only country left with a big enough share of worldwide greenhouse-gas emissions for its ratification to bring into force the treaty combatting global warming.

If Kyoto is stillborn, it would mean Ottawa is not bound to its relatively onerous obligations under the pact, which demand more of Canada than most other signatories.

Mr. Martin said Canada hasn't even assembled a plan that would determine whether it can reach its Kyoto targets. The pact would force Canada to chop emissions -- largely caused by burning fossil fuels -- by as much as 30 per cent from business-as-usual levels.

"What I have said very clearly is you need a plan to determine whether in fact you can meet those targets," Mr. Martin said.

"That plan is going to determine our capacity to do so [meet targets], our ability to do so and really what are the very important steps. And we have not yet developed that plan, certainly not to my satisfaction."

His comments were a clear repudiation of Mr. Chrétien's Climate Change Plan for Canada, unveiled in November of 2002 by Environment Minister David Anderson. At the time, some provinces criticized the plan as full of holes. But $2.7-billion has already been spent by Ottawa to implement it.

Mr. Martin, who voted with the government to ratify Kyoto last December, said he still hopes to live up to Canada's commitment.

He noted that measures to fight climate change -- which often involve using less energy -- can make the economy more efficient. He said Canada needs to develop a plan that can meet targets.

"My view is when you sign an international agreement, clearly your intention should be to implement it. But the only way you can implement it is if in fact you have a plan."

Canadian business groups, which almost universally opposed Kyoto, applauded an opportunity to rethink Canada's approach.

"We just blindly signed on to some targets without fully understanding how on earth we would do it," said Nancy Hughes Anthony, head of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce.

She said she "certainly would hope" that Canada under Mr. Martin, who takes office Dec. 12, would not commit to the same onerous targets that Mr. Chrétien did.

Kyoto flared up yesterday after Andrei Illarionov, a top economic adviser to Mr. Putin, said in the Kremlin that the accord would handicap his country's developing economy, which is increasingly dependent on oil production.

"The Kyoto Protocol places significant limitations on the economic growth of Russia," he said. "Of course, in this current form this protocol can't be ratified."

Under the Kyoto accord's complex rules, it must be ratified by at least 55 countries accounting for at least 55 per cent of global emissions as of 1990. The United States and several other countries have already walked away from the treaty.

Mr. Anderson, a fervent defender of Kyoto, dismissed the Russian official's comments, saying the country is bargaining to extract more favourable terms.Elections for Russia's State Duma are being held this Sunday, leading Mr. Anderson and other observers to suggest that pre-vote politicking may be playing a part.

He made his comments on the same day it was announced that 13 of the 15 countries in the European Union are on pace to miss their own emission-reduction targets under Kyoto. The figures are another major blow since the EU has been the accord's biggest promoter. Delegates attending a climate-change conference in Milan, Italy, said yesterday they would nonetheless hold out hope until Mr. Putin himself says the deal is dead.

It's unlikely, however, that Mr. Illarionov was speaking without Mr. Putin's consent -- in recent months he has emerged as the Kremlin's point man on the Kyoto file. He said yesterday that it is "impossible" for Russia to consider undertaking "responsibilities that place serious limits on the country's growth."

Mr. Putin's own position on the accord has shifted of late. After indicating earlier in the year that he favoured ratification, he joked in October that global warming might be good for some of the colder parts of Russia.

A Kremlin official said before yesterday's announcement that Russia could not understand why it, a developing country, is being forced to make reductions while others such as China and India -- both much larger polluters than Russia -- are exempt from restrictions under the deal. The official denied that Russia is seeking any concessions in exchange for ratifying, and suggested that even the basic science behind Kyoto is unsound.

The deciding factor

The Kyoto Protocol establishes a double trigger for the treaty to go into force.

-The first trigger - ratification by 55 governments - was accomplished earlier this year.

-The second trigger, that the ratifying governments must include developed countries representing at least 55 per cent of the group's 1990 carbon-dioxide emissions, remains to be met.

As of yesterday 120 countries had ratified the treaty. Together, they represent 44.2-per-cent of emissions, 10.8-per-cent short of the deciding mark.

Because Australia and the U.S. have stated that they will not join the protocol, Russia's 17.4 per is essential for pushing the tally over the required 55-per-cent minimum.

SOURCE: UNFCCC


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Letting the hot air out of Kyoto

Neil Collins &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp
The Daily Telegraph

Tuesday, December 02, 2003

When The Skeptical Environmentalist was published two years ago, it caused no end of trouble. Bjorn Lomborg was a statistician who was fed up with the flaky numbers that support so many of those doom-and-gloom forecasts, so he set out to try to establish the facts. His conclusions were a bitter disappointment to those who have made careers out of spooking us with tales of impending disaster.

He found that, on the whole, things are getting better. On all objective measures of health, prosperity, access to valuable technology, levels of pollution and general well-being, the proportion of the global population that is benefiting has never been higher. We are not, he decided, heading for Hell in a handcart. Fittingly for a statistician, his book made strenuous efforts to track down source material. It contains nearly 3,000 footnotes, and made Lomborg public enemy No. 1 among the environmental fascists.

It is probably too much to hope that Adapt or Die will have the same seismic impact on these sensitive souls, but it represents a long-overdue and concerted attack on the Kyoto Protocol, that far-away agreement whose true costs are only now starting to appear over the economic horizon.

Kyoto was John Prescott's first international boondoggle following his elevation to the dizzy height of Britain's Deputy Prime Minister, and he had a lovely time. He returned home having committed Britain to huge cuts in the level of emissions of carbon dioxide. And why not? After all, under New Labour at Year Zero, anything was possible, and 2010 must have seemed an impossibly long time away.

Well, it isn't now, and it's starting to dawn on tired old Labour that hitting those targets is going to be both expensive and painful. Adapt or Die argues, with almost as many source footnotes as Lomborg, that it's also pointless. A telling chapter from Martin Agerup (a Danish economist rather than a Swedish statistician) asks whether Kyoto is a good idea, and by now you won't be surprised by the answer.

The Kyoto meeting came about because of worries that human activity was raising the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide lets ultraviolet radiation through, but traps infrared -- the so-called greenhouse effect. Ergo, more of it, thanks to our profligacy with fossil fuels, must mean global warming. The consequences will be dire, and it's all our fault.

This is a potent argument for the hair-shirt brigade who secretly hope for tsunami, pestilence and mass starvation to sweep us all away, as a kind of retribution for our decadent squandering of the Earth's bounty. Such feelings underpin the directionless protests against globalization, and the Kyoto Protocol was one response from bemused governments.

Unfortunately, the science doesn't support the doomsters' thesis. Agerup points out that it's hard enough to forecast the weather a week ahead, let alone a decade hence; he then picks apart the stats on which Kyoto is based, and finds it "amazing that such sloppy practices are used as an input to a modelling exercise that involves the use of supercomputers and costs millions."

He further points out that "there is no empirical evidence that hurricanes and storms are increasing in frequency or intensity," and concludes that it's not even clear from the science whether more CO2 in the atmosphere will mean a warmer or colder planet.

There's little doubt that Kyoto gave its participants a global warming glow of self-righteousness, but nobody seems to have asked what it was all for. Global warming itself might be bad news for polar bears, penguins and very low-lying countries, but if it turns the southern Arctic regions temperate, it's a massive gain for the proportion of the land mass which will sustain comfortable human life.

It takes money to reduce pollution, educate the young and encourage changes in work patterns in backward countries. The demands of Kyoto will reduce growth in developed countries, leaving less to spend on good causes. Indeed, if only a tiny fraction of the growth forgone was used instead to help the poor, it would make far more impact than the self-denying ordinance to pump out less CO2. The principal barrier to prosperity in the Third World has nothing to do with our use, or abuse, of raw materials. In Britain, it is our old friend the Common Agricultural Policy and its American sister, farm support, helped by its cousin, Japan's barriers to food imports. Had this ugly trio been specifically designed to keep the Third World poor, it could hardly have done it better.

Free trade in agriculture would benefit both sides as surely as free trade in goods has done. If the greens and their friends could grasp this, it would do more to help everybody on the planet than all the hot air and good intentions from that hopelessly misguided boondoggle in Kyoto all those years ago.
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Hey AreBe,

I don't think anyone accused Martin of being a lefty. I'm sure that's one thing most of us can agree on. :p
 
We are going to be in very good shape.
We're going to have a Tory in power and the Conservatives as the leaders of the oppostion.

Unless you're a Canadian artist, where is the problem?
 
AreBe, I can't take it any more. Martin is not a bloody conservative or a Tory. He is a pragmatist, even more so than Chretien. He's cool on Kyoto because he knows that things are starting to look shakey for the Liberals in Ontario (a good 20 seats could be lost), and he needs to pick up ground in Western Canada if he is to win that huge majority that everyone is predicting.

Seriously, I don't understand how you can call the son of the author of universal health care a Tory. Oh, and never mind the fact that he once supported the Quebec Inc model of business-government collaboration (even well after that model started to falter in La Belle Province), that he was known as an environmentalist in opposition, and that he only came around to the idea of balanced budgets after being roundly abused for his first (pathetic) budget. He may be a pragmatist, and a somewhat reluctant one at that, but he sure as heck ain't a Tory.
 
Why is Paul Martin Sr. the author of universal healthcare? Tommy Douglas (CCF/NDP) was the true father of universal healthcare, though Martin Sr. helped bring it national.

However Martin Sr. was a politican with a social conscience, something that I am not so sure about Jr.
 
"He may be a pragmatist, and a somewhat reluctant one at that, but he sure as heck ain't a Tory."


If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck... its a duck.

Martin is more of a Conservative than the current motley crew of so-called Conservatives in the PC party. It's also the reason that a poll last month found that a large % of PC party supporters across Canada plan on voting for Martin in the next election.

Vive Le Bleu Parti Liberal!
 
Tommy Douglas (CCF/NDP) was the true father of universal healthcare, though Martin Sr. helped bring it national.

ie. equal lack of access to health care for everyone.
 
I agree with Martin on this. We shouldn't stumble blindly into Kyoto, and huge subsidies sure aren't the way to go. I've also been saying, and Martin agrees, that it is important for the economy to use energy more efficiently. This serves to make the economy more efficient, which is good for everyone.

I don't know about Martin losing 20 seats in Ontario. I would say ten maximum, and all those will be going NDP.

As kpad said, he is a pragmatist, not a conservative.
 
Loose 20 seats in Ontario? To who? The latest attempt at papering over the looney tunes in the Reform party?

And even in the event that the NDP picks up a few more seats in Ontario, those few losses will be more than offset by Liberal gains in Quebec.
 
>Loose 20 seats in Ontario? To who?

Also, if you figure they are going to loose 20 seats.... you should have an idea of which seats..... so which seats, and which liberals in Ontario are going down to defeat?
 
I think the NDP will be able to pick up some seats... maybe they'll become the opposition if the tories/Alliance don't merge.
 
THe NDP might have an in here... not enough to form the opposition, by far, but to gain a lot more seats than they have had in a very, very long time. If the love affair with Martin doesnt pan out, and the flip-flop "new old" party confuses many, the NDP just may walk up the centre and garner more votes than anyone would think.

We really dont know how things will work out with Martin. A lot are pinning high hopes on the appointed leader, but if he doesnt come through with all promises to all people like he is claiming he will, the public just might get tired of him. Also, I think there is a movement away from "big business" polititians in this country, and Paul Martin opitimizes Big Business Government.
 
The fact that we have further to go than most "Kyoto" nations should be an indicator, imo, that we, of all nations, need to ratify it.

I've also read that Kyoto nation members are considering placing some taxes on trade from non-Kyoto nations. Though this may be specifically targetted at the U.S. As long as it's a tax that's related to meeting Kyoto demans, it's not a terrible idea in my opinion.
 

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