salsa
Senior Member
I think Tory excludes the Scarborough subway tax from his "at or below the rate of inflation".
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I think Tory excludes the Scarborough subway tax from his "at or below the rate of inflation".
salsa
Senior Member
I think Tory excludes the Scarborough subway tax from his "at or below the rate of inflation".
Videodrome
Senior Member
A lot of people seem to have a short memory. Someone named Ford was mayor when the Scarborough subway was approved.
That had to be the dumbest thing ever considered in Council...
That had to be the dumbest thing ever considered in Council...
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Riverdale Rink Rat
Senior Member
I had no issue with the VRT, but it was never a very 'smart' tax -- a very blunt instrument. I don't really care if you own a car, but I do care how you use that car. Toll roads or CBD congestion charges are the way to go.
Tory is not a pathological or even egregious liar. He does say the odd dumb thing, but he can normally be trusted to make informed decisions and speak respectfully in public.
The whole nitpicking of the budget is hilarious. Ford raised fees and taxes, Miller raised fees and taxes, Tory will raise fees and taxes, because (unlike the GST, e.g.) our municipal taxation system is designed that way, but our municipal contracts and other costs rise with inflation and the needs of an expanding population.
I do think it's kind of fun to see how some of UT's more conservative members are happy to see Miller's policies enacted, now that they're coming out of the mouth of a 'right-wing' Mayor, who can be 'trusted fiscally'.
Tory is not a pathological or even egregious liar. He does say the odd dumb thing, but he can normally be trusted to make informed decisions and speak respectfully in public.
The whole nitpicking of the budget is hilarious. Ford raised fees and taxes, Miller raised fees and taxes, Tory will raise fees and taxes, because (unlike the GST, e.g.) our municipal taxation system is designed that way, but our municipal contracts and other costs rise with inflation and the needs of an expanding population.
I do think it's kind of fun to see how some of UT's more conservative members are happy to see Miller's policies enacted, now that they're coming out of the mouth of a 'right-wing' Mayor, who can be 'trusted fiscally'.
DarnDirtyApe
Active Member
Well, you know, Tory is a progressive conservative despite all the hyperbole from Chow supporters during the election campaign.
When it comes down to it, wages are by far the largest component of the city budget, and we all know how badly Miller managed that file. In contrast, Tory has put the garbage workers on notice that full contracting out is an option (but not a certainty) so they will be sure to temper any excessive demands and generally stay on best behaviour.
When it comes down to it, wages are by far the largest component of the city budget, and we all know how badly Miller managed that file. In contrast, Tory has put the garbage workers on notice that full contracting out is an option (but not a certainty) so they will be sure to temper any excessive demands and generally stay on best behaviour.
DarnDirtyApe
Active Member
The VRT was more of annoyance than anything else - yet another fee layered on top of property taxes, water bills, garbage fees, street parking fees, provincial vehicle registration fees, driver's license fees, and so on. The typical Toronto taxpayer who owns their own home and a car suffers death by a thousand cuts as various governments look for ways to balance their budget.
The money also went into general revenues, so was perceived (correctly) as a simple cash grab that penalized people fairly indiscriminately.
The money also went into general revenues, so was perceived (correctly) as a simple cash grab that penalized people fairly indiscriminately.
salsa
Senior Member
Tory ran as a right wing Ford-lite candidate, not a progressive conservative. Now that Tory is reneging on some of his campaign promises, he's starting to look more like a progressive conservative.
nfitz
Superstar
A lot of people seem to have forgotten that not only did John Tory promise to keep that subway (on which almost nothing has been spent yet, so easily cancelled, especially given the master agreement with the province is still for LRT that doesn't cost Toronto anything), but he supported and funded Rob Ford's mayoralty campaign.
Videodrome
Senior Member
He did what he had to do to win the election and beat Ford Nayshun. Broken promises are part of politics.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Seriously.
I've always known Tory to be a progressive conservative. When I heard he was running, I jumped at the opportunity to support him.
As the election campaign ramped up Tory was unrecognizable to me. Like you said, he was Ford-lite.
Now that's he's mayor, he's taken a very centre position.
This guy has been bouncing all over the political spectrum. I suppose he's going to pretend to be Ford-lite when it's politically convenient for him.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
JT said what he needed to say to win. That includes supporting the subway.
DarnDirtyApe
Active Member
Seriously, do you guys have any understanding how politics works? Most swing voters are uninformed and not particularly intelligent, so to win you need to craft a message that will resonate with enough of them to push you over the edge. Tory worked hard to siphon off enough Ford voters to win by making making the right noises about subways and taxes, and it worked.
picard102
Senior Member
No one has forgotten, you bring it up any chance you get.
Riverdale Rink Rat
Senior Member
No, we don't. Because no, he didn't. I know I'm flogging a dead horse, but still by far the best Mayor in my decades in Toronto. Although Tory is starting off with energy and promise.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
I still don't get how someone seemingly intelligent such a John Tory could say something as profoundly stupid as this. It forces me to question his judgement.