afransen
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I think Chow is a much savvier politician than people have given her credit for.
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Blovertis
Active Member
It's amusing to watch as it dawns on progressives that their champion is turning out to be John Tory in a dress.
DSC
Superstar
More like a John Tory with some balls!
picard102
Senior Member
Jonny5
Senior Member
Very appropriate there is a giant rock under the future "Rob Ford Stadium" sign.
goreckm
Active Member
Meh, good governance takes compromise. Last I checked, blocking a stadium name change wasn't a key campaign promise. The real proof will be in the budget.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Actually the fastest way to change the norm is to omit enforcement. Think about it, one chap decides to squat in a public park, sets up his tent and then other likeminded folks, seeing zero enforcement of the clear bylaws against camping in parks, set up camp as well. And in a flash, you have forty or more tents, and the norm today is to let it be.
The Gravy Bowl.
afransen
Senior Member
Like the McCallion Line, should we rename Line 5 in honour of Rob Ford? Perhaps it could be called the Gravy Train?
picard102
Senior Member
No, but getting rid of the Gardiner, and fighting for Ontario Place were big promises. I'm not upset that she bailed on those, but I hear a lot of anger from people who did care.
allengeorge
Senior Member
Sometimes you’ve gotta choose which bill you’ve to die on. Idealogical purity can be a big impediment to actually bringing out meaningful change - and I hope the people who are angry with her actually remember that. Her absolute priority now is the gaping hole in the city budget, and I’d argue that the deal she made is a pretty damn good one.
Yes, it sucks that the Gardiner will remain elevated, and that Ontario Place will still remain a spa, but I don’t think Olivia Chow had much room to maneuver. Reopening the Gardiner debate would have been a massive distraction, and regardless of what was done, no one was going to tear it down, so it would continue to bleed the city dry. And, on Ontario Place, the worst she could have done is continue to make it incredibly embarrassing for the province to proceed with their plans. That’s it; the city had limited room to maneuver.
These would not have been good fights to waste political capital on. She’s gonna need all she has for the upcoming property tax increase.
Jonny5
Senior Member
Well, yeah, but the pitch to voters was that she would die on those hills. It was that ideological purity. A simplistic and childish "GARDINER BAD!", or the true love for Ontario Place which was echoed by her supporters who probably couldn't point out where it was on a map of Toronto without Google telling them where it was. She appealed to fantasies of the just-large-enough minority that supported her to die on every one of those hills they cherished.
So then the question now is, what ideological purity test is actually left? Pun intended. What's the hill she will pick out to die on in that budget debate? Maybe police funding?
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adys123
Active Member
It's a hallmark of a bad politician to die on hills. Given the diversity of opinions and the things that are within your control, it's always about compromise. Recently, there has been a lot more hyper partisan politics, and generally they don't play out well.
I haven't heard about the masses of her supporters (would be curious to hear what the rumblings are), but I generally hear that people are satisfied with her work. Especially, at the Budget Consultations which haven't taken place since 2007 under Miller. There are also plenty of opinions there, so you can't make everyone happy.
Mount Dennis Resident
Active Member
From https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/08/paris-mayor-plans-to-triple-suv-parking-tariffs-cut-air-pollution
Toronto needs to increase ALL parking rates. Should be based on the size of the vehicle.
Paris mayor plans to triple SUV parking tariffs to cut air pollution
It’s a form of social justice,’ says Anne Hidalgo of move to target richest drivers to tackle climate breakdown
Increase the parking rates for large vehicles will help to cover the cost of maintaining the roads that get damaged by the weight of such heavy vehicles. Little damage is done by bicycles or e-bikes, but the biggest damage is by the trucks, SUVs, 4x4s, and other heavy vehicles.
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zang
Senior Member
It's only going to get worse. Electric batteries have dramatically increased the average curb weight of vehicles. The Hummer EV weighs a whopping 9,063 lbs (comically, it's literally heavier than its own 7,500lb towing capacity)! That's gasoline-powered cube van territory and (legally) makes it ineligible to park on residential city streets (though I doubt that's going to stop anyone). Larger vehicles like SUVs and trucks gain 2000lbs+ in the move from gas to electric due to battery weight. Many—like the EV versions of the Ford F-150, GMC Sierra and Mercedes EQS—barely make it under the parking weight limit at curb weight, and certainly go over in their gross weights (passengers + cargo).
Light trucks weigh what cube vans used to. SUVs weigh what light trucks used to. Cars weigh what SUVs used to.
And we've only seen an expansion of sales of the bigger, heavier vehicles. Maybe we should expect bi-annual resurfacing of just about every street in the city, at this point.
Which is why ideas like "fixing" the Gardiner are just ridiculous. In 1958, when the Gardiner was built, the average curb weight of a car was 3967 lb. Imagine if every car on it is nearly double the weight, and it's jammed with stop and go traffic. It's a maintenance nightmare, period.
I guess at least that crumbling crap pile sits on Dougie's lap now.
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allengeorge
Senior Member
From City Hall Watcher by Matt Elliot:
Early votes tell me I'm definitely not a Parthi fan. Seems already anti-density, and anti-bike-lanes. [sigh]
Early votes tell me I'm definitely not a Parthi fan. Seems already anti-density, and anti-bike-lanes. [sigh]