[Coolibop]

A brief interlude from the usual here. Reading some of the latest missives from irritated and cynical forumers on the subject of how long its taking to get streetcar door cameras up and running.....
Its another day of 'This City is a Joke'; 'Nothing gets done here' .....etc etc.

Everyone knows here, I'm the first to critique politicians or the civil service over bad decisions or indecision. The streetcar cameras are taking (far) too long, fair to complain.
But I do find it tiresome to hear people endlessly complain about Toronto as if were the worst city on earth, or at least the worst in the developed world, or at least generally awful,.
...

Generally agree.

A couple of points to add in response to those comments: When it comes to transit, I don't think people on this forum are comparing (or want to) with the US. That's a low bar for some of us who have had the privilege of traveling outside the continent.

I don't see much complaining about food (quality/diversity) in the city...because it's pretty darn good. I think that's the bar we'd like to see with infrastructure and the like...

 

[zang]

I don't see much complaining about food (quality/diversity) in the city...because it's pretty darn good.

…with the exception of about a 500m radius around the quadrumvirate of the Roger’s Centre, Scotiabank Centre, CN Tower and Ripley’s Aquarium.

 

[DSCToronto]

This is (to me anyway) an interesting and interesting tender call. I assume having a digital twin network would allow them to run simulations about how x being shut would affect y??

 

[DSCToronto]

Even more TTC work.....Despite the street names on the listing, the map shows this is Sumach/Cherry from King to the rail berm. From memory, the concrete around the track is quite good (as it should be as it is separated from traffic and quite new) but I assume there are a few 'bad bits' too.

 

[Amare]

Even more TTC work.....Despite the street names on the listing, the map shows this is Sumach/Cherry from King to the rail berm. From memory, the concrete around the track is quite good (as it should be as it is separated from traffic and quite new) but I assume there are a few 'bad bits' too.

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I'd rather them fix whatever is going on now, instead of when the King/Chruch project is completed.

This may be one of the few times the TTC has gotten their heads out of their a$$*.

While they're at it, maybe they should fix whatever defect is going on at the Harbourfront at Queens Quay between York and the Bay St portal.

 

[gabe]

This good to see. Everyone has a right to peaceful protest. You do not however, have the right to stop traffic/block public transit, which has been going on for months. Most of the people doing these stupid protests aren't even from Toronto.


I was stuck on streetcar the other week because these idiots shut down the Yonge-Dundas intersection to protest The streetcar driver told everyone to get out and walk. Yeah people with mobility issues don't have the option to walk or afford to take Taxi/Uber to get where they are going. Enough is enough!!

Eleven arrested following weekend protest in downtown Toronto​

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/07/21/toronto-protest-downtown-11-arrested-police/

 

[picard102]

Maybe if this had been going on for months, something should be done to resolve the situation they are protesting about.

 

[Northern Light]

Maybe if this had been going on for months, something should be done to resolve the situation they are protesting about.

Uhh, protesters assaulted police, were in possession of prohibited weapons, engaged in mischief, obstructed police.............

No.... that doesn't get you or the subject for which you advocate any sympathy, its just enrages people and gets you a criminal record and significant employment hardship for the rest of your life.

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Besides, blocking streetcars on Dundas is not going to change Israeli public policy, nor is it going to change how Canada addresses the situation at a federal level.

 

[picard102]

Uhh, protesters assaulted police, were in possession of prohibited weapons, engaged in mischief, obstructed police.............

Is this like when Adam Melanson "assaulted police"?
Forgive me if I presume their innocence until they have their day in court. The TPS have a history of assaulting protestors and pretending they were the victims.

 

[Amare]

Well looks like the chickens are coming home to roost:

(Or in this case, more are staying away)

Concerning poll shows 91% avoid downtown Toronto | insauga

A new INsauga poll reveals just how deep the frustration with Toronto’s traffic has become. And it’s no longer just about longer commutes. Out of 2,963 respondents, an overwhelming 91.3 percent said they actively avoid going to downtown Toronto because of traffic. Only 8.7 percent said they...

www.insauga.com

To be clear this isnt on Olivia Chow, it's on the past idiotic politicians who have wasted our time turning Toronto into the gridlocked mess that it is today.

 

[picard102]

Well looks like the chickens are coming home to roost:

(Or in this case, more are staying away)

Concerning poll shows 91% avoid downtown Toronto | insauga

A new INsauga poll reveals just how deep the frustration with Toronto’s traffic has become. And it’s no longer just about longer commutes. Out of 2,963 respondents, an overwhelming 91.3 percent said they actively avoid going to downtown Toronto because of traffic. Only 8.7 percent said they...

www.insauga.com

To be clear this isnt on Olivia Chow, it's on the past idiotic politicians who have wasted our time turning Toronto into the gridlocked mess that it is today.

Just a note that is is a random poll on their website. So basically of zero statistical value, and questionable data collection.

 

[Amare]

Just a note that is is a random poll on their website. So basically of zero statistical value, and questionable data collection.

Indeed, but i'm willing to bet the sentiment would be extremely high in the same direction if a similar poll was done through one of the standard pollsters.

 

[generalcanada]

91% of those on a random suburban magazine website dont go downtown Toronto

are these the same people saying "id never take the subway its so dangerous" then do just that to get to a jays game?

 

[Northern Light]

Is this like when Adam Melanson "assaulted police"?
Forgive me if I presume their innocence until they have their day in court. The TPS have a history of assaulting protestors and pretending they were the victims.

The precise details are important in terms of justice.

But they are not, in terms of optics.

The point of demonstrations, in theory, is to shift public opinion favourably to your cause.

I just don't see that happening here. There are people who are already sympathetic. At least to a point.

But these tactics are not building on that, they are reversing that.

Its all about the outcome, not the process.

 

[adma]

Well looks like the chickens are coming home to roost:

(Or in this case, more are staying away)

Concerning poll shows 91% avoid downtown Toronto | insauga

A new INsauga poll reveals just how deep the frustration with Toronto’s traffic has become. And it’s no longer just about longer commutes. Out of 2,963 respondents, an overwhelming 91.3 percent said they actively avoid going to downtown Toronto because of traffic. Only 8.7 percent said they...

www.insauga.com

To be clear this isnt on Olivia Chow, it's on the past idiotic politicians who have wasted our time turning Toronto into the gridlocked mess that it is today.

Uh, technically, that's reverting to the "had they not stopped the Spadina" yahoo arguments.

First of all, there's the age-old fact that as employment and creature comforts migrate to the suburbs (or online), downtown Toronto is effectively redundant.

And secondly, on those rare occasions that they *do* go downtown (for sports games and stadium concerts, especially), that can be cause-and-effect when it comes to gridlock, or impressions thereof. So because you're part of that conga line of cars going *in* to see the Jays, or part of that conga line going *out*, you start to think that it's *always* a conga line...