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Just came back from Paris, and I have to agree on the elevated trains -- monorails or not. Elevated anything creates dead zones underneath and lots of street noise. I'm sure that the good people of the districts the monorails of Sao Paolo are going through are/were not as happy as the commuters.

I was in New York last summer and hoped off the Coney Island bound elevated subway to see what it was like under the tracks. Wasn't as loud as I thought it might be, and there was a healthy mix of uses and pedestrians about as well.

I would not hesitate to be located along the line, but to each his own I guess.
 
In Vancouver 30 story condos are built right beside the line and I really do mean right beside. One building in NuWest is just 5 meters from the tracks and sold out. People love being near the SkyTrain and the noise of the SkyTrain is a hell of a lot less that a slew of buses. In Richmond the elevated portion of the Canada Line has condos sprouting up right along the route. One of my favorite places for Dim Sum is on the third floor of a restaurant and my favorite window seat is only about 10 meters from the trains.

Monorails would of course being even more quiet and have far smaller footprints and shawdows. Even so in Richmond as massive amount of development has gone up along the Richmond elevated portion. They have planted greenery around the pillons, used their shawdow area for bike paths, reduced parking, widened the sidewalks and it has been incredibly densified. Yes there are some malls but the newer businesses may be chains but they have street sidewalk access. The pedestrian traffic along the route is surprisingly heavy. In short the Canada Line, despite it's elevations, has lead to MORE pedesrian traffic than was there before. It has actually made NO. 3 Road more intimate, more pedestrian friendly, more attractive, more vibrant, and far more appealing from a walkability point of view.
 
I was in New York last summer and hoped off the Coney Island bound elevated subway to see what it was like under the tracks. Wasn't as loud as I thought it might be, and there was a healthy mix of uses and pedestrians about as well.

I would not hesitate to be located along the line, but to each his own I guess.
New York City has many vibrant neighbourhoods under its elevated lines, Roosevelt Ave. in Jackson Heights for example. That street had more pedestrian activity than Yonge Street when I was on it, even though there is a train going by every few minutes.
 
There isn't any neighbourhood UNDER New York's elevated lines. The lines follow roads! The neighbourhoods built along the elevated lines, just like neighbourhoods built along streetcar lines in those days.
 
I don't understand why Torontonians are so averse to elevated rail. There are elevated portions of subway in Toronto and it certainly hasn't stopped streets like Parkview Gardens, Clendennan or Indian Road and Edna from being expensive. True, they're not on wooden tracks that are bolted to steel superstructures which vibrate like MoFos, but no elevated rail line would be built like that nowadays anyway.
 
I don't understand why Torontonians are so averse to elevated rail. There are elevated portions of subway in Toronto and it certainly hasn't stopped streets like Parkview Gardens, Clendennan or Indian Road and Edna from being expensive. True, they're not on wooden tracks that are bolted to steel superstructures which vibrate like MoFos, but no elevated rail line would be built like that nowadays anyway.

Agreed. Anything elevated today, especially if it's LRT or ICTS, would have a profile like the Canada Line or the SkyTrain network. Showing pictures of New York's elevated lines does nobody any favours if they're trying to sell it to Toronto. Show the Canada Line, and I'm sure you'd make a few more sales to skeptics.
 
In Richmond, the elevated section down No 3 Road has made the street look "hectic". By bigger and wider sidewalks, overhead trains, bike paths, a thinner road the street is more dense and far more pedestrian friendly. No 3 Road has gone from wind swept suburban roadway with traffic flying down it to a decidedly more urbane one. In short, the elevated section has done exactly the opposite of what many had predicted. the Canada Line is already well used and due to people going to the new stores, restaurants, people walking to the stations, cyclists, and reduced parking the street has become a far more vibrant one.

It's called good planning, mass/rapid transit develpment, and street beautification. It is far more vibrant than if they had put an LRT down the middle. LRT tracks act as a barrier to people walking across the road in the middle of the streets, something that makes a street more vibrant. A slightly elevated {ie 6 inches} or some other physical barrier to maintain ROW would split the two sides of the road apart while the SkyTrain has done the opposite by bringing them together.
 
Sydney Monorail rides ended yesterday, Sunday.

See this link for the article and video.

Railing against the death of the monorail

When Kluse station, on the Wuppertaler Schwebebahn, was blown to bits by Allied bombers during World War II, the world's oldest continually running monorail ground to a halt in 1945. But the Germans got to work at war's end, and had the thing up and rolling again as early as 1946. Not even bomber command was going to deprive the folks of Wuppertal of their one-tracked pal, which had been getting them from A to B since June 27, 1903.

It's still running, carrying thousands of passengers every day as it has (apart from the high-explosive hiatus of 1945) for 110 years this Thursday.

It's hard to imagine that by virtue of the stroke of a pen in some provincial government office, the burghers of Wuppertal would accept the demise of their venerable railway. It would be unthinkable. The men responsible for such an act of vandalism would be, well, run out of town on a rail.

Compare Wuppertal's love for the cocktail of tradition and innovation that is their centenarian monorail with our ovine acceptance of Macquarie Street's tragic violation of our city's heritage. On Sunday night, the citizens of Sydney will stare mindlessly as the last monorail carriage wends its sorry way to the blast furnace. There will be a pathetic sigh, a shrug, the odd ''Oh well, that's the end of that, then.'' And before you can utter the name ''Laurie Brereton'' (the 1980s uber advocate of the monorail and public works minister) next thing you know it'll be Monday morning.

And on Monday morning the bunfight will resume about the planning of the new, super-flash Darling Harbour precinct, which will allegedly put Sydney on the world convention and entertainment map once and for all. Yippee!

But it is rapidly becoming clear that not a single shovel will be wielded in anger south of Pyrmont Bridge for many moons. For everyone who likes any given plan, there are three people who hate it. It will make Barangaroo look utterly straightforward.

The old Anthony Hordern's site in George Street, which for years held the record for the biggest and most enduring hole in the ground in Sydney's planning history, should be a warning to anyone who wants to pull something down to make way for something else, while that something else is still gestating on drawing boards and the subject of ferocious argument.

But by Monday morning, the government will have done exactly that - removed a functioning transport system that didn't get in anybody's way, and replaced it with absolutely nothing, simply in order to give the false impression that things were really going places in Darling Harbour. We all know the only thing going places in Darling Harbour is the monorail.

If it turns out that it has to go, it certainly doesn't have to go now. Why not wait until whatever ghastly pile they finally settle on wedging between Chinatown and the University of Technology, Sydney is finally approved (probably sometime in 2019, if at all) and do it then?

In the meantime, we could come to appreciate the essential grooviness, the high-tech kitsch, future/retro hipness that is the Sydney monorail.

When it was being built, self-appointed arbiters of taste shrieked that it was ugly beyond measure. Were they implying that it would ruin the vista of the pebble-crete driveways of the Hilton Hotel, or clash with the charming old-world squalor of 1980s Liverpool Street?

What these people failed, and in many cases still fail, to appreciate is that the streetscapes of Sydney are essentially invisible from street level. The monorail, soaring above the garbage-strewn awnings of myriad discount shops and convenience stores, allows the traveller to actually see the proud old buildings, which now sadly stand with their toes besmirched by decades of half-baked storefront ''renovations''.

And like valve wireless sets, huge tail fins on 1950s cars and The Jetsons, the monorail is a fabulous reminder of a vision of the future that almost-but-not-quite came to be.

Sure, it doesn't move too many people to very many places they actually want to go to, but who cares? That's hardly the point. It's just so inherently cool, and there will be a lot of young people on Sunday night who will, in 50 years' time, be telling their grandchildren: ''I was there the last night the monorail ran.'' ''The monorail? Wow, really? Why did they ever tear that down, grandad?'' they'll ask.

Yep, at 9.30pm on Sunday the little part of me that is George Jetson will die - we never got the flying cars, the robot maids and the teleporting gadgets, but we got our monorail. And soon it will be like the Bondi tram - gone forever.

What would the good citizens of Wuppertal make of it all?

Pat Sheil is Column 8 editor and a Pyrmont resident.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/raili...he-monorail-20130625-2ov2d.html#ixzz2XoyXIIEC

It opened in July 1988 and closed in June 2013.
 
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The people of Sydney need mass/rapid transit and due to the politics of the day they ended up getting a one-way tourist ride and then wonder why no one takes it.

Tell me, how many people would take a Metro or LRT line if it only traveled in one direction? The Sydney Monorail was even more useless than the Detroit People-Mover and that says something. It all depends on how you build the system and for whom you are building it.

The Detroit system is the exact same technology as the SRT and Vancouver SkyTrain yet the SkyTrain carries 60X the number of riders everyday than Detroit. Detroit built a roundabout and Vancouver wanted a mass/rapid transit system and they both got what they asked for. The exact same analogy can be drawn to the Sydney Monorail. It is being sold to Bangladesh for the beginnings of it's first rapid transit system.

Almost the exact same day the last ride took place on Sydney's tonka train, Jakarta announced it is finally going to relaunch it's long dead monorail after years of delay. It was stopped midway thru construction due to the financial crisis and the pillons still litter the streets of the city to this day. Now they have a commitment from the government that the monorail is going to get built with construction to begin immediately with the funds already in place. The line is 15 km and at the same time they are going to build another 15kkm line with the first in 2 years and the second completed in 3.

Both the Jakarta lines are being built to handle potential capacities of 35,000 pphpd. The current 55 km Chongquin system which is only 7 years old is already carrying 475,000 passengers a day. Jakarta and Chongquin must have some pretty damn big zoos and theme parks don't you think?
 
Beautiful Bombardier INNOVIA 300 Monorail for KAFD Financial District, Saudi Arabia (these same trains are rolling in São Paulo now). Wouldn't it be great to be riding these in less than 3 years, as a Downtown Relief Line? Instead of waiting 10+ years (and costing 10 times as much) for subway?

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I agree with moving on and stop living in the past after all what do the Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese know about urban transit?

Monorail is a proven cost-effective transit option that takes up less space than conditional urban rail. It is also quieter , easier to build, and doesn't create a shadow under the elevated structure. The Bombardier Innovia system is considered the best model and system out there. When it comes to at grade or tunneled Metros, monorail has no advantage over convention Metro although it certainly does over LRT due to wider vehicles. Conversely when it comes to elevated transit nothing comes even close to the advantages of monorail. In terms of elevated transit it is superior in every way compared to any other form of mass transit.
 

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