AlvinofDiaspar
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Yeah, but honestly, I do have to question the wisdom of the organizers.
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Yeah, but honestly, I do have to question the wisdom of the organizers.
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Marko
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I don't usually like Fiorito much, but that's a decent piece.
I don't disagree with anything he has said, but it's only a start. I don't think Fiorito wants to make blanket statements any more than his crime prof or the police chief - but if you're "talking to the shooters" - who are you talking to? How old are they and where do they live, and does their background or upbringing influence who they become?
What do we think has happened to street culture of crime?
the lemur
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You'd be right about a media bias if the media consistently reported crime in Scarborough while downplaying or ignoring crime in other parts of the city, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Or are you implying that there's a tendency to paint Scarborough as unsafe/crime-ridden because things like this shooting happen? 'All crime, all the time'? Do you not remember people saying in the wake of the Eaton Centre and College St shootings (and further back, the 2005 Boxing Day shooting) that they would avoid going 'downtown' (remember, downtown is a pretty big area) as a result?
'Two people are in hospital after a shooting overnight in Scarborough, but actually some parts of Scarborough are quite nice' - is that the sort of fair reporting we should be striving for?
doady
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Haha, Mimico, not Etobicoke... you just proved malvern2's point.
the lemur
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I'm no expert, but it seems like street crime has become the domain of people who are easily offended by each other's mere presence and who have easy access to firearms.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Of more generally - firearms (and the willingness to use them) had become the replacement for shriveled cojones and overcompensates for the "have nots".
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Roy G Biv
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Ethics, honour and code have gone out the window. They were actually important elements in gangs for a long time. There were unwritten rules. We have seen the same devolution in politics, the only difference being that this devolution helps politicians get elected. In the gang world, it hurts the gang. Politicians are somewhat smart, low-level gang members are dumb.
Honestly, watch The Wire.
nfitz
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The neighbourhood is apparently called West Hill according to the Star - http://www3.thestar.com/static/googlemaps/starmaps.html?xml=090120_shapetool_neigbourhoods.xml and Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Hill,_Toronto
But then no one would know what area is being talked about. Mimico is an old town itself, and well defined. Not sure how you describe Lawrence and Morningside as anything other that Scarborough. Some seem to be calling it East End Toronto ... but how Lawrence is East End I don't know ... surely East End is west of Victoria Park.
Marko
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I wasn't asking the question to get answers for myself, it was to spur discussion from the article posted.
No thanks on The Wire - it's no more appealing to me than Oz was.
malvern2
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Scarborough isn’t even a city anymore so why even bother saying it? By continuously saying Scarborough in every news article you are painting a huge swath of the city as somehow having involvement in a horrible incident in one small portion of the city. If this happened anywhere else in Toronto the media would never have referred to it as North York or East York and never ever Downtown Toronto….when was the last time a shooting in Jane-Finch was referred to as North York?!
nfitz
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That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard.
Scarborough is still a recognized district of Toronto. Everyone knows where it is. And it's the smallest geographical area around that everyone knows where it is. Do you think that perhaps University of Toronto should rename it's Scarborough campus as Toronto? They could all their campuses Toronto ...
The media often refers to North York or Downtown Toronto ..
Really, there's people dead, and your big concern is that the media identified the shooting as happening in Scarborough, instead of saying Toronto? I've never heard such a complete and total lack of perspective before!
At least they didn't say east end Toronto, which would only confuse people.
ShonTron
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West Hill is relatively well-known, but not quite as well known as Rexdale, Malvern or Downsview, the difference is that people's mental boundaries differ. What one person's West Hill might be another's Highland Creek or Guildwood. Downsview "stretches" all the way to Jane/Sheppard or into Dublin Heights.
Roy G Biv
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Then I wonder how this discussion is appealing to you?
Eug
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1. Pix
2. Before I moved to Scarborough, I generally knew where Guildwood was. However, I didn't know where West Hill was. It would have had about as much meaning for me as Cliffcrest, before I moved nearby. Although in truth, back then, to me Scarborough was that area fused with Markham with all the Chinese restaurants.
In any case, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say "Shootings in the Lawrence and Morningside area in Scarborough (or east end)".
2. Before I moved to Scarborough, I generally knew where Guildwood was. However, I didn't know where West Hill was. It would have had about as much meaning for me as Cliffcrest, before I moved nearby. Although in truth, back then, to me Scarborough was that area fused with Markham with all the Chinese restaurants.
In any case, I think it's perfectly reasonable to say "Shootings in the Lawrence and Morningside area in Scarborough (or east end)".
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Marko
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It's not an 'appealing' conversation, but a real event that happened in our city that needs to be discussed, and not a TV show?
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